Azamat wrote:What, are you concerned of the Uzbek name 'Azamat'? Don't worry, it's only a pseudonym, although it contains a fragmented part of my real name. I chose it because of Borat
My issue is not your name, evidently as my name is 'Ideas'
My family is from Dersim, and we don't speak Kurmanci; only Zazaki, although my skills have seriously deteriorated over the years. I don't mean to offend you, but I find your interrogating stance a bit threatening, if it's solely based on that one mistake. Are you the Roj-Bash police? I wonder what would happen if you were the head of an intelligence agency. I was discussing international relations, and I thought using the term 'Kurdistan' would disrupt the context since we don't exist on the map yet. I now understand that I shouldn't do that again.
Non taken, and my issue is not you using 'northern Iraq' and 'Iraq-Turkish' border, instead my issue is that it seems like what we have have is a manipulator, I mean it's quite clear to us (the people that follow events properly) that the 'Turkish-Israeli' rift is nothing but a smoke and mirror game, and the reason the Turks put this show on is to grow their economy, I mean you did make one valid point which is the Turks wanting to do business with the 'Arab world (Again you included Kurdistan here
) and to do that the Turks had to make it seem like their ties with Israel is damaged where as in reality it's even better than it used to be (trade wise), in fact the west is happy to have the Turks their 'ally' develop good ties in the Islamic word so that they can have more influence via the Turks.
Turkish-Israeli trade at record high source: (
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-240029- ... lunge.html)
Now, you saying things like 'Northern Iraq' 'Turkish-Iraqi border' including Kurdistan in the 'Arab world' along with you trieng to convince everyone that the Turks are ditching the west and moving east, and the fact that you can speak any Kurdish dialect just adds to my suspicion!
I hope that I'm wrong, but I'm not going to write it off, and since a lot of Kurds read this site (some happen to bee sheep) I don't want to misguiding to occur.
I beg to differ. We may have a seperate political entity, but we still remain within Iraqi borders which means Baghdad can still enforce their interests on us whenever they wish. You should realise that the KRG is politically subordinate to the central Iraqi government.
The central has little say on affairs in Kurdistan, we have been dealing directly with energy companies and now they are recognised. On the contrary it's the other way around becuase we (kurds) have lot of say in Baghdad while Baghdad has close to no say in Erbil, for example while maintaining our own independent army comprising of mostly Kurds, we also have Kurdish divisions in the Iraqi army loyal to Kurdistan, we hold high level positions in Iraq such as presidency and foreign minister while they hold non in Erbil! you are under-estimating Kurdistan which is indeed a quasi state.
While we remain in 'Iraqi' borders, we have our own borders with the rest of Iraq and the Turkish border is completely controlled by us, not to mention that an 'Iraqi' visa will not get you into Kurdistan as you must get a Kurdish visa.
Nevertheless, some Turkish companies remain carefully interpositioned with the Turkish state, especially on foreign matters. The Turkish government shapes its country's economic affairs in any kind of way that it will benefit them, and a fostering Kurdish economy is of no benefit to the Turkish state.
It still adds no significance into the equation as like I said they don't actually own anything, they just build and leave as the projects are owned by Kurdish companies!
for example, even a 'mega project' is completely financed by Kurdish companies and even stated so on Turkish media:-
Talking to the Daily News, Tüysüz said the regional government in northern Iraq has allocated approximately 6.5 million square meters for the project. “The negations took nearly two years for this mega-project, which will include smart-apartments and one-floor luxury properties,” Tüysüz said, adding that it will be the first construction project carried out by the firm in northern Iraq. “We have made an agreement with the Cihan Group, which is active in the automotive, food stuff, heavy machinery, generators, real estate, petroleum and banking sectors in Iraq.” Responding to a question on the possible cost of the project, Tüysüz said, “
The total cost will be paid by our Iraqi partner Cihan Group and Ayyıldızlar Construction will deal with the construction of the project.”http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-09Kurdish companies have been doing business in southern Iraq, for example recently the Iraqis shortlisted two Kurdish companies for a $1 billion power plant! which will be owned by the company, now that is direct investment where the Kurdish company will pay for all the costs, what the Turks do however is get paid to build and leave.