Kurdistan - Politics

[talsor]

well im sure the thousands of Palestinian refugees arent celebrating, and there the people that should really be helped,
your right about the one statement about kurds, but that being said who sencerly has? palistine is the last people that can really help kurdistan anyway, when it comes down to it kurds and palistiane are in the same boat
like i said its all politics them brother in refugee camps arent calebrating nothing, maybe ramadan

You keep saying "it is politics " like the word mean something ! You are like an Israelis I met who was trying to validate selling weapons to turkey by saying its politics .

Heval :
Supporting a regime like Saddam was wrong
Not condemning his crime against Kurds is/was wrong
Not recognizing Kurdish rights is wrong
Many of them actively participating in oppressing kurds by joining Saddam's muxabarat .

Go talk to any Palestinian and ask their opinion about Kurds having their own country and see how surprised you will be . You cry rivers for the Palestinian and talk about their cause like it is your own , but they do not give a damn about you .Do you know what they call a person like you in Kurdish ?

A tu bo min beli tu xelki keriya ?

what you trying to say?

ma tu zimani bavo kala nizani ? deway bu welam nadi be zimani xot ?

[talsor]

we should focus on independence for kurdistan first. after all parts of kurdistan are independent,then we can support/ask for peaceul-talks between isrealis and palestinians.
this would hopefully stop most terrorist attacks against israel and palestinians would have a independent country to live peacefully in

and you think Palestinian would recognized Kurdistan if we declare independence ?

yes.
i dont think most palestinians are anti-kurdistan. ive meet no anti kurdistan palestinian in real life til now.
I know there were many palestinians in saddams army,but there were more kurdish jashes there than palestinan arabs.
and of course,if they dont recognize kurdistan we shouldn`t help them.

I hope you are right , but I doubt that . Either way Kurds do not have problem with majority of Palestinian except those who supported saddam and I would say 90% (if not more ) of them support Palestinian right to homeland .

[brendar]

well im sure the thousands of Palestinian refugees arent celebrating, and there the people that should really be helped,
your right about the one statement about kurds, but that being said who sencerly has? palistine is the last people that can really help kurdistan anyway, when it comes down to it kurds and palistiane are in the same boat
like i said its all politics them brother in refugee camps arent calebrating nothing, maybe ramadan

WHAT THE ......YOU TALKING ABOUT?

YOU COMPARE PALASTINE WITH KURDISTAN? Palastinians have sold their lands to the jews. So you mean we sold kurdistan to the arabs, turks and persians? is this what you mean?

How is palastine cause the same as the kurdish cause?

Kurdistan is the land of the kurds, whereas Israel is the land of the Jews. There is no palastine........... Those animals sold them to the jews back in the days and now they claim it is theirs!

We did not sell our land but we were split up between 4 countries!!!!!!!!

My friend next time just forget about kurdistan and dont even mention it in your arguments please!

[talsor]

what i mean about the kurdish parties is they done worse things to each other then waving flags and chanting some arabic, not to mention being motivated by non-kurds, so

your right about the second paragraph but saying why should kurds give a damn is not right,
and anyway i need to find out about that thing you said first

Kak Max -b

How is that relevant to our conversation ? How is 2 Kurdish political groups fighting each other validate other nations stand towards us ? So if Kurds kill each other then it makes it OK for other to kill kurds since they are killing each other anyway ? What kind of none sense logic is that !

[Peshmerga'x]

Ok I got what I want,

thanks for the answers

there were many questions to me and if there are any really important things, you can ask now.


rojbash

[Peshmerga'x]

well im sure the thousands of Palestinian refugees arent celebrating, and there the people that should really be helped,
your right about the one statement about kurds, but that being said who sencerly has? palistine is the last people that can really help kurdistan anyway, when it comes down to it kurds and palistiane are in the same boat
like i said its all politics them brother in refugee camps arent calebrating nothing, maybe ramadan

WHAT THE ......YOU TALKING ABOUT?

YOU COMPARE PALASTINE WITH KURDISTAN? Palastinians have sold their lands to the jews. So you mean we sold kurdistan to the arabs, turks and persians? is this what you mean?

How is palastine cause the same as the kurdish cause?

Kurdistan is the land of the kurds, whereas Israel is the land of the Jews. There is no palastine........... Those animals sold them to the jews back in the days and now they claim it is theirs!

We did not sell our land but we were split up between 4 countries!!!!!!!!

My friend next time just forget about kurdistan and dont even mention it in your arguments please!

Thats what I mean,if you really think thats the true story you are on the wrong side.

[brendar]

Thats what I mean,if you really think thats the true story you are on the wrong side.

Yes that is the true story. However, palestinians and muslims are not fighting for independent palastine, but they are fighting against the jews and want to get rid of them.

End of the story.

[talsor]

Your parents... What a good source. I'm Pretty sure your patents Told you about kurdish traitors aswell, should we put the blame on all kurds now without Making difference between various groups?

Kindly do not disrespect other people's parent because their views does not suit you agenda and what does the thread have to do with PDK /PUK fight ? People like you keep hammering this issue over and over like you live in a perfect world where civil war never exist . There is no country in the world that did not have internal fighting between fraction and Kurdistan is no different .

I do not want to generalize here , but It is a fact that many Palestinian worked and fully cooperated with Saddam and no one can deny that .

[unitedkurdistan]

Yes Kak Talsor is right, many of the palestinians supported saddam and worked for him. One of the reasons was that saddam was the enemy of israel.

[max_b]

the relevance of the kurdish civil wars is that sometimes organisations do things which are not exactly righteous but is done to maintain or gain
so by you claiming that Palestinians celebrated the misery of kurds ( which i couldnt find proof) im saying its surely political, why else would a people with is suffering try to mock and disrespect another ( yes i do know that arab really can supprise sometimes but i dont think so, not that low)

brender
listen until the british(other countries too) mandate come to the middle east, kurds and Palestinians where living in there land peacefully, no one can deny that, then just like in kurdistan, the colonialists dictated there polices on the palestian land, almost similar to Kurdistan, if the jewish community need a place to live, a country of there own why didnt they get given a land in germany? why would they come into the middle east a just start settleing in to another mans contry, just like in northern kurdistan, the turk just claimed the land to be there, claimed that we were mountain turks, yeah its not identical but i personally think its the same bag the same boat
plus palestians didnt sell anything to anyone, i dont know where you got that,

listen i am not pro-jew or arab, like it was mentioned eariler nether side care for my people, kurds have no friend but the mountains right? damn sure but it is still sad to see the situation in old palestian

[alan131210]

i can vouch for Palestinians helping saddam killing our peshmergas .

they have a different view today but back then they supported saddam against us, and saddam gave them billions of dollars that is why they loved him, the same with Lebanese people.

[burnsss]

Screw palestinians, the whole world cares about their 2 million while ignoring 40 million kurds. Its all the fault of the left. Any kurd showing symphati to palestinians are delusional jash influenced by arabism and islam.

[talsor]

the relevance of the kurdish civil wars is that sometimes organisations do things which are not exactly righteous but is done to maintain or gain
so by you claiming that Palestinians celebrated the misery of kurds ( which i couldnt find proof) im saying its surely political, why else would a people with is suffering try to mock and disrespect another ( yes i do know that arab really can supprise sometimes but i dont think so, not that low)

If you go by your logic we can validate everything including murder by labelling it as political or to maintain or gain .There is right and wrong with a clear line between them .

No one is saying that "bira Kurji" was the right thing to do and it is a shameful page in our history and we have gone beyond that .

[Cewlik]

damn sure but it is still sad to see the situation in old palestian

I wish you good luck in a arab or israeli Forum, but thats a kurdish Forum. And by the way, why they not allow Kurds to talk about the Kurdish rights in an arab Forum?

so by you claiming that Palestinians celebrated the misery of kurds ( which i couldnt find proof) im saying its surely political,

Even if it was only because of politics, they should burn in the hell for that. But I dont belief that they support him only because of politics, no they support him, because he was a arab racist and kill Kurds and shias and they dont care about Kurds. But if Assad kill sunni arabs the whole arab world demonstrated against him. But in the time where Saddam kill 300.000 Kurds, the whole arab world support him with weapons and money and no one arab say what against him.

And if you want to talk abaou civil wars, talk about the Palestinian civil war, they still are not united.

[PrettyLikeAPicture]

Your parents... What a good source. I'm Pretty sure your patents Told you about kurdish traitors aswell, should we put the blame on all kurds now without Making difference between various groups?

Kindly do not disrespect other people's parent because their views does not suit you agenda and what does the thread have to do with PDK /PUK fight ? People like you keep hammering this issue over and over like you live in a perfect world where civil war never exist . There is no country in the world that did not have internal fighting between fraction and Kurdistan is no different .

I do not want to generalize here , but It is a fact that many Palestinian worked and fully cooperated with Saddam and no one can deny that .

It's Called analogy, didn't you understand that? It was well-documented analogy against his biased 'logic'.

Oh, really? So? How many source can you provide for your statements made on page 1? You couldn't and I can't just take your words as truth, furthermore you have to continue which groups of palestinenans you refer to, how many are they?