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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:15 pm

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PostAuthor: zaxo10 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:43 pm

good news kaka

but are you sure? =)

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: Rando » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:43 pm

Do you think a war will break out if we decleare independece?
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:45 pm

zaxo10 wrote:good news kaka

but are you sure? =)


i dont make it up dear , read the news on the webiste for yourself , as well as kurdish websites like , nrttv , niha24 :D

Rando wrote:Do you think a war will break out if we decleare independece?


between who ? Iraq doesn't have the balls nor the ability to stage such war , as they have a huge Sunni region who is also hostile towards the central govt .
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:12 pm

Barzani called for a September deadline for resolving the political impasse to offer Iraqi Kurds an incentive not to break away from Baghdad. "It has to be before then. At least," Barzani said.

If no solution is found before local elections scheduled for September in Kurdistan, Kurds may be asked to vote on a referendum to decide, as Barzani put it, whether they want to "live under a dictatorial regime" controlled by Baghdad or in an independent state.


very good, include it also articel 140?

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:33 pm

hevalo27 wrote:
Barzani called for a September deadline for resolving the political impasse to offer Iraqi Kurds an incentive not to break away from Baghdad. "It has to be before then. At least," Barzani said.

If no solution is found before local elections scheduled for September in Kurdistan, Kurds may be asked to vote on a referendum to decide, as Barzani put it, whether they want to "live under a dictatorial regime" controlled by Baghdad or in an independent state.


very good, include it also articel 140?


yes , listen to this video which was few days ago

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:43 pm

Yup , the news is true , heard on KTV :D
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PostAuthor: kirkuk1 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:05 pm

alan131210 wrote::-({|= =D> FINALLY INDEPENDENCE DATE IS CLOSE AND APPOINTED \:D/ \:D/


i hope he doesnt step back on it :D

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Does Kurdistan gain independence ?

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:11 am

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Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan fantasies idea of ​​independence for a long time, and the region has elements of independence, as we shall see shortly, but it must be noted that the Kurds to look at all the regional crisis as an opportunity to break away from Iraq, especially as they see states split off and riding during the last twenty years For example, the disintegration of the Soviet Union during the years of nineties in the last year has been declared the independence of South Sudan and announced that the State of Palestine, even from one side, and last month took the Tuareg of northern Mali and they announced an independent state on behalf of Ozoad with this occupation, plundered the territory of an independent state, and helping the Kurds a sense of separation the current political crisis in Iraq, or rather the monopoly of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to power, as we said in a previous article, Maliki instead of power-sharing government of national unity after the 2010 elections on the basis of the Convention on the power-sharing to take work as a minister of justice, defense and interior and controlled entirely on the security services and appointments career where I felt the Sunni community as being on the margin do not have leadership positions in the country, and this has disrupted al-Maliki Agreement remained the government is split always in the discussion of the laws of the country, and when he came out of U.S. troops from Iraq on the eighteenth of December last year Iraqis welcomed with good but the situation has continued on what he has to get worse has not increased.

Moreover, it has been shown of a referendum among the Kurds in 2005 that accounted for 95% of them have chosen independence, the crisis existing between the government of Kurdistan in Iraq and Baghdad are a catalyst for the implementation of this desire, and on 21 March, threatened Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani to declare independence, has reached Barzani courage that pointed to Prime Minister Maliki that he is leading Iraq toward dictatorship any tyranny, and seeks the leader of the Kurds to break with the strategy «independence creeping» which means the preparation of the infrastructure at all levels waiting for an hour announcement when conditions allow international so, note that Kurdistan has the elements of the state more of Palestine and southern Sudan, there is the flag official of Kurdistan with the national peace and the Kurdish language is used, whether in public or through the channels of satellite TV with institutional autonomy Kurdish Kalriash, Parliament and the constitution and the army (peshmerga) in the light of a booming economy and representatives of the Kurdistan are working independent of the Iraqi diplomatic missions abroad, then that there are limits separating the Kurdish part of the Arab part in the Iraqi state and, more recently took all of Turkey and the United States receive the Kurdish leader as head of state has Frst the red carpet in Turkey to set foot upon Barzani, a tradition that a diplomat is usually used when receiving heads of state, also met with U.S. President Obama, leader Barzani alone and not within the Iraqi delegation, which increases the amount Barzani, to the extent that Hillary Clinton and Secretary of State were seated arose from her seat to shake his hand, and on the level of bilateral relations has been the formation of «American Business Council Kurdish» in Washington to follow up on U.S. investment in the « areas of northern Iraq », which lies under the control of Barzani, was agreed with the company« Exxon Mobil »U.S. to drill for oil in Kurdistan, and is no doubt that this political move by the Barzani has infuriated Maliki, who believes that the federal government that has the authority to grant concessions to oil companies foreign.

And if it was necessary to express personal opinion, the historical experiences have proven that the process of separation of the regions of the country produces in a violent conflict could last a long time of time prevails in which the people of the feelings of hatred and revenge may extend for generations to come, and if we talk about Iraq, the secession of Kurdistan resulting in heavy fighting on the most important cities of Baghdad, Kirkuk and around the oil wells in the north and south and will see blood shed here and there, and will probably have to throw the regional powers its weight in the chaos resulting from the disintegration of Iraq to help each party ally them, perhaps beyond the conflict, Iraq's borders should not be The Kurds see this separatism if it was behind a disaster in the future undermine the efforts of current fragile to give political stability in Iraq, and then to assume that won the Kurdish independence, it is guaranteed, but moving the Kurds in Turkey, Iran and Syria are also required to state to them, which entails serious risks delay besetting the region as a whole.

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An agreement between Barzani and Talabani

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:46 pm

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Recently after the crisis between Baghdad and Erbil and the anti statements towards each other, both Talabani and Barzani have come to an agreement, that from now on the problems are to remain in Baghdad and Talabani will be taking care of them instead of they coming to Erbil .

Regarding the proclaiming of kurdistan as an independent state, it was decided that to intensify the efforts from both sides internally and externally, and to stop making statements regarding the matter from the media outlets.

It was also decided to gather Barzani and Maliki on one table alone.

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: KaniRashi » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:11 pm

Former US diplomat talking about Kurdish independence...

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/4688.html

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: burnsss » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:16 pm

Hehe Peter Galbraith is friend of the kurds. al jazeera ran one program on him inviting anti-kurd people to bash him. Time has truely come for independence the arab mind cant handle power-sharing.
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: talsor » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:59 pm

KaniRashi wrote:Well, negotiations with Turkey about independent Sth Kurdistan should include that PKK lay down arms, but instead, PKK should go and focus on Iran, if that are Turkey's demands. These are good news kak Alan, hope we get good news from President Masoud Barzani soon. When will the oil pipeline that goes to Turkey be finished? And what about the one that goes through Iraq and then Turkey?
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-278021-iraqi-kurdish-leader-in-istanbul-for-high-level-talks.html ( This site should NOT be trusted)


That is very short sighted view . You make it look like Kak Barzani controls everything related to Kurdistan .

Barzani will always call for peace , condemn violence and will always ask both sides to lay down the arms . PKK can do that , but would turkey comply , negotiate , or give kurds their basic rights ? . PKK is a big problem for turkey and a big asset for Kurdistan and we should never forget that .Turkey is quit capable of establishing peace with Kurds on their own in return for their basic rights as human beings , but they will never do it . Turkey is not asking for peace , it is asking for destruction of PKK .

I will say this : The day will come when we will truly learn to appreciate PKK and PJAK , because when diplomacy and negotiation , photo Obs are all over and the bullets are flying in the air , they will always be in the front line defending Kurds across Kurdistan .
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: KaniRashi » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:10 pm

talsor wrote:
KaniRashi wrote:Well, negotiations with Turkey about independent Sth Kurdistan should include that PKK lay down arms, but instead, PKK should go and focus on Iran, if that are Turkey's demands. These are good news kak Alan, hope we get good news from President Masoud Barzani soon. When will the oil pipeline that goes to Turkey be finished? And what about the one that goes through Iraq and then Turkey?
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-278021-iraqi-kurdish-leader-in-istanbul-for-high-level-talks.html ( This site should NOT be trusted)


That is very short sighted view . You make it look like Kak Barzani controls everything related to Kurdistan .

Barzani will always call for peace , condemn violence and will always ask both sides to lay down the arms . PKK can do that , but would turkey comply , negotiate , or give kurds their basic rights ? . PKK is a big problem for turkey and a big asset for Kurdistan and we should never forget that .Turkey is quit capable of establishing peace with Kurds on their own in return for their basic rights as human beings , but they will never do it . Turkey is not asking for peace , it is asking for destruction of PKK .

I will say this : The day will come when we will truly learn to appreciate PKK and PJAK , because when diplomacy and negotiation , photo Obs are all over and the bullets are flying in the air , they will always be in the front line defending Kurds across Kurdistan .


I respect PKK and PJAK, if it weren't for them there would be more suppression in every corner of Kurdistan. PKK and PJAK won't get destroyed, not by their brothers in South nor by the damned Turkey or Iran.
But, if Turkey has accepted an independent Southern Kurdistan, then there is no point in fighting Turkey, all the problems falls to South. I mean, isn't it smarter to regroup with PJAK and take the fight to coward Iranians?
We all know that freeing Northern Kurdistan is the hardest part, and that is why it's smarter to concentrate on Western and Eastern Kurdistan. When all three parts are free from their enemy, then it will be easier to liberate Northern Kurdistan. kak Massoud Barzani doesn't control everything related to Kurdistan, but because of he is a leader he plays a HUGE role in the other parts of Kurdistan. South Kurdistan is a key to free the other parts.

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Former US Diplomat Peter Galbraith time is ripe for Independ

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:05 pm

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In this interview with Rudaw, former U.S diplomat and advisor to the Kurdistan Regional Government KRG Peter Galbraith says the time is ripe for Kurdish independence thanks to the thriving oil industry, international investment and the fact that Kurds are America’s only reliable ally in the volatile region. Galbraith says Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is not following the constitution or respecting the rights of Kurdistan.

Q: Do you think the constitution can prevent the resurgence of a dictatorship in Iraq?

Peter Galbraith: The constitution establishes a weak central government, enshrines power-sharing among Iraq’s different peoples (Shi'a, Sunnis and Kurds) at the center and gives the Kurdistan Region de facto independence. As such, the constitution is designed to prevent the reestablishment of a powerful centralized state that has led to dictatorship in the past. But no constitution can prevent dictatorship. That is up to the people.

Q: Do you think constitutions matter in the Middle East region? In these countries, the ruler often has all the authority.

Galbraith: Yes, they matter. But, it is up to the people and their leaders to enforce the constitution.

Q: Right now, Iraq is in political turmoil and most parties accuse PM Nuri al-Maliki of violating the constitution. Do you think he has violated the constitution?

Galbraith: Clearly, he is not following the constitution. He is not respecting Kurdistan’s rights, including those over natural resources, and he has not held the constitutionally required referendum on Kirkuk and other disputed areas.

Q: Kurdish leaders blame Maliki for not sharing power and consolidating all of it in his own hands. Do you think those accusations are correct?

Galbraith: Yes. They are correct.

Q: Barzani says that Maliki is only killing time and doesn’t want to solve important issues such as Article 140 regarding the disputed territories and the oil and gas issue. He also says that if the situation continues like this, he will let the people of Kurdistan decide their own future through a referendum. Does the Iraqi constitution give the Kurds the right to separate from Iraq?

Galbraith: The Kurds agreed to stay in Iraq on the basis of the constitution in its entirety. If the Baghdad government does not keep its part of the bargain, then the basis for Kurdistan’s continued membership in Iraq no longer exists.

Q: When the constitution was written, did you feel it would solve issues such as Article 140 and the Peshmerga?

Galbraith: I knew these issues would be difficult because the mindset of those who wanted a centralized Iraq did not change. But, I hoped the constitution would be followed.

Q: When the Balkan countries gained independence, you were the U.S. ambassador in that region. Based on your experience, do you think now is the right time for Kurdistan to become independent from Iraq?

Galbraith: Yes. The Kurds tried being part of Iraq for 90 years and Iraq has failed them. I learned in the Balkans that there is something worse than the breakup of a country, and that is trying to keep people in a country against their will.

Q: In your opinion, what are the obstacles to a Kurdish state in Iraqi Kurdistan?

Galbraith: President Massoud Barzani and Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani have eliminated the most important obstacles to full independence. They have developed a close political and economic relationship with Turkey,www.ekurd.net they have created an oil industry in Kurdistan which provides the financial basis for independence and they have encouraged other international investments in Kurdistan. They have shown that Kurdistan is America’s only reliable and democratic ally in Iraq and in a volatile region.

Q: Do you think that, in the future, the U.S. will support an independent Kurdistan?

Galbraith: The U.S. usually supports the status quo and probably will not support secession until after it takes place. The U.S. has no friend as good as the Kurds so it will have no alternative but to accept Kurdistan’s independence once it takes place.

Q: Kurdish leaders were happy when U.S. oil giant ExxonMobil came to Kurdistan. What is your view on that issue?

Galbraith: There is no greater vote of confidence in Kurdistan’s oil industry than to have the world’s largest oil company invest there.

Q: What do you think of Kurdistan’s oil policy?

Galbraith: It makes the centuries-old dream of self-government a reality and provides great benefits to the people of Kurdistan.

Q: Generally, the Kurds admire your support for them, but three years ago you were linked to Kurdish oil contracts which some Western media called scandalous. Can you elaborate on that?

Galbraith: Before 2004, Kurdistan was entirely dependent on Baghdad and foreign aid. I helped bring the first oil company to Kurdistan and, as a result, Kurdistan now has a thriving oil industry. For the first time, the people of Kurdistan benefit from their own resources and the Kurdistan government has the resources to run its own affairs. Some Western media criticized my work because they are deeply attached to the bankrupt idea of a centralized Iraq where everything is controlled by Baghdad. I am proud of my contribution to a self-governing and prosperous Kurdistan.

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