Kurdistan independence related articles & photos

[alan131210]

Like I said it will not be the end of pkk but they have to move their camps out of KRG then our state will succeed , you guys need to realize without turkey our state will be poor not bcoz Turks are angels no bzos they control the border to The west and its essential for our progress and prosperous , pkk has been lately doing things to harm KRG whether it's intentional or not but in WK for example they refused to join KNC.

Also In the young conference from all parts of Kurdistan in Erbil they refused our Kurdish flag , KRG has no choice but to close their camps this can be done without kill or arresting them like we saw with PJAK , all KRG will do is ask them to leave for WK they will be supported by Assad as we see it is impossible to remove the guy and turkey knows this they want to win KRG as they know Syria will now use pkk against them from now on since turkey showed hostile attitude towards Syria , turkey does not want pkk in KRG and in WK so thus they are accepting KRG As a state on this condition .

Call me crazy but it's a win win situation for KRG , what do you guys want ? Wait for Maliki to get his F16s to attack KRG so that not only pkk but KRG heads for Qandil once again ?

Once KRG is proclaimed as a state then it will help BDP to gain more rights for kurds and it will be legit and the international community will be willing to deal with BDP and help them as well , pkk we like it or not have now got a bad name and no one will ever deal with them no matter what , pkk is now hurting the Kurdish cause more than helping it by turkey using the terror card , pkk has proven to be against the interests of KRG on few occasions so what do you guys think KRG should do wait till turkey recognized pkk ? That will never happen and we need access to outside world without turkey it is not possible we have to compromise as well.

But no blood will be shed from Kurd-Kurd I'm sure barzani is more eager on that more than all of us combined.

[ideas]

Turkey should rethink their position because if there is no where for the PKK to stay they may just opt for insurgent style resistance, and they would not want that.

[talsor]

Like I said it will not be the end of pkk but they have to move their camps out of KRG then our state will succeed , you guys need to realize without turkey our state will be poor not bcoz Turks are angels no bzos they control the border to The west and its essential for our progress and prosperous , pkk has been lately doing things to harm KRG whether it's intentional or not but in WK for example they refused to join KNC.

our state will remain poor and helpless without Northern Kurdistan .Even if South Kurdistan declared independence tomorrow , It will more like a turkish satellite state with zero power to counter Turkish influence and demands . Try to understand this heval . without Northern Kurdistan there will never be a truly independent Southern Kurdistan . We already have several turkish military bases in southern Kurdistan Just to appease turkey and avoid any confrontation , so just imagine what would the turkish demand be for the establishment of a Kurdish state !

if the establishment of a Kurdish state in the south comes at a price of sacrificing the North and the West then I do not want it .

You are a smart guy heval Alan and you know as well as I do that this is not about PKK .

Also In the young conference from all parts of Kurdistan in Erbil they refused our Kurdish flag , KRG has no choice but to close their camps this can be done without kill or arresting them like we saw with PJAK , all KRG will do is ask them to leave for WK they will be supported by Assad as we see it is impossible to remove the guy and turkey knows this they want to win KRG as they know Syria will now use pkk against them from now on since turkey showed hostile attitude towards Syria , turkey does not want pkk in KRG and in WK so thus they are accepting KRG As a state on this condition .

Iran was more than happy for pjak's move to Western Kurdistan and there are some report that they even provided them with assistance to counter turkish and western aggression towards Syria .
KRG does not have the authority to make such demands and will not receive public support if it does so . PKK is spread though out Northern Kurdistan and part of the south and Turks have a free hand to cross the boarder without any consequences , So why should are they even askinyg us and why should we make it easier for turks ? to save ourselves ? Why should we sacrifice our revolution in the north to save the south and what do we tell to thousand and thousands of our youth who died on the hand of terrorist turks ? What do we tell to thousand and thousand who are imprisoned by turkey for simply being kurds ? . There is no running away from the truth and Kurdistan will never be free with half measures and cutting corners .

Call me crazy but it's a win win situation for KRG , what do you guys want ? Wait for Maliki to get his F16s to attack KRG so that not only pkk but KRG heads for Qandil once again ?

It is a win win situation for KRG only and when maliki learn how to untangle his taill , then I will worry about him . Mind you that turkey poses more of threat to KRG than Iraq .

Once KRG is proclaimed as a state then it will help BDP to gain more rights for kurds and it will be legit and the international community will be willing to deal with BDP and help them as well , pkk we like it or not have now got a bad name and no one will ever deal with them no matter what , pkk is now hurting the Kurdish cause more than helping it by turkey using the terror card , pkk has proven to be against the interests of KRG on few occasions so what do you guys think KRG should do wait till turkey recognized pkk ? That will never happen and we need access to outside world without turkey it is not possible we have to compromise as well.

How is it going to do that heval and why is not doing it now ? .
Ok fine , PKK has a bad name and recognized as a terrorist organization , but So did the IRA , PDK , PUK, African National Congress headed by Mandela and Communist Party of Cuba , I could go on....I mean what do you expect PKK to be labelled as ?
If A kurdish party name ABC or 123 established tomorrow in the so called turkey , I grantee you they will be banned or labelled or their members imprisoned and history have proven that over and over and over .

[alan131210]

our state will remain poor and helpless without Northern Kurdistan .Even if South Kurdistan declared independence tomorrow , It will more like a turkish satellite state with zero power to counter Turkish influence and demands . Try to understand this heval . without Northern Kurdistan there will never be a truly independent Southern Kurdistan . We already have several turkish military bases in southern Kurdistan Just to appease turkey and avoid any confrontation , so just imagine what would the turkish demand be for the establishment of a Kurdish state !

our state is pretty much rich at the moment without Northern kurdistan , and if KRG awaits till northern kurdistan is autonomous even , it will be like another 50 + years and frankly majprity of KRG Kurds not willing to accept this . if we have to wait to declare KRG as a state until NK is independent then we might as well wait for other parts as well . it seems like you want all 4 parts to be declared at once which is beyond impossible , it has to be one at a time or none.

if the establishment of a Kurdish state in the south comes at a price of sacrificing the North and the West then I do not want it .

it will not be sacrificing NK as a matter of fact , pkk is not doing NK any good any more , but damaging it and turkey is hell taking advantage of this situation and we have to stop it .

at least the NK will then say there is a kurdish state and they will demand more political and cultural rights from turkey.

You are a smart guy heval Alan and you know as well as I do that this is not about PKK .

i think it very well is , they are worried about their influence in part of WK and they would rather support KRG as a state than pkk spreading into other border countries with turkey.

Iran was more than happy for pjak's move to Western Kurdistan and there are some report that they even provided them with assistance to counter turkish and western aggression towards Syria .
KRG does not have the authority to make such demands and will not receive public support if it does so . PKK is spread though out Northern Kurdistan and part of the south and Turks have a free hand to cross the boarder without any consequences , So why should are they even askinyg us and why should we make it easier for turks ? to save ourselves ? Why should we sacrifice our revolution in the north to save the south and what do we tell to thousand and thousands of our youth who died on the hand of terrorist turks ? What do we tell to thousand and thousand who are imprisoned by turkey for simply being kurds ? . There is no running away from the truth and Kurdistan will never be free with half measures and cutting corners .

iran will help pjak if needed but hasnt done that so far . the so called revolution is not a revolution if its pkk useless attacks on turkey , you cant win when US calls you a terrorist even if you are not , if NK wants to be free and have self-rule a kurdish spring will secure this right not pkk nor KRG can achieve this but a spring will and can but the N.Kurdistanis are sleeping , look at Syria they have lost 10000 in one year to be free so let our 15 million lose 20000 to get what we want , but via pkk it will never happen , i see ppk these days do more damage than help kurdish cause , i am not making assumption i am seeing it happen in front of my eyes , let alone their anti KRG moves recently explained via my previous post .

How is it going to do that heval and why is not doing it now ? .
Ok fine , PKK has a bad name and recognized as a terrorist organization , but So did the IRA , PDK , PUK, African National Congress headed by Mandela and Communist Party of Cuba , I could go on....I mean what do you expect PKK to be labelled as ?
If A kurdish party name ABC or 123 established tomorrow in the so called turkey , I grantee you they will be banned or labelled or their members imprisoned and history have proven that over and over and over

dear Taslor , you are comparing IRA to PKK ? c'mon turks will never negotiate with pkk , its not just the state policy its the wish of every single turk , it is impossible to gain further rights via pkk nor will turkey ever let pkk be a political party , it will have to dissolve and the struggle must continue without pkk , and yes they are arresting politicians and so on , but under what slogan ? under the terror card so you see again pkk is hurting the political process as well .

let pkk lay arms down and lets see what will turkey do , they will no longer be able to arrest politicians or BDP members on related terror charges , and the pressure will mount on turkey and it will be obvious then its not pkk that is the problem its turks themselves but rest assured turkey cant afford to put herself into this situation , we are now in the arab spring era , they are shitless scared of a kurdish spring ...

so let pkk disarm , KRG declares independent then BDP will continue work without been arresting on terror charges as there will be no pkk for the turks to use as a card against the kurdish political process .

[alan131210]

not only that pkk camps closure will result in a kurdish state been recognized by turkey , it will also result in closing all of turkish bases in the border region of KRG , which the kurdish parliament voted on last year .

[Kurdistano]

not only that pkk camps closure will result in a kurdish state been recognized by turkey , it will also result in closing all of turkish bases in the border region of KRG , which the kurdish parliament voted on last year .

Guys just to let you know. Turkey will and has to recognize South Kurdistan even without KRG doing what Turkey wants. Turkey makes much money in KRG and the western world will make pressure on Turkey if they close the border. This conditions Turkey made are more like a joke, just to not loose the image of the "cool and strong" country. They cant simply accept Kurdish independence without giving conditions. The Ultra Nationalist Turkish voters (almost 60% of Turkey) would go crazy. KRG can accept the condition and later forget about it and just say PKK is to organized and strong to control.

[hevalo27]

The Ultra Nationalist Turkish voters (almost 60% of Turkey) would go crazy.

jes thats true, i think also, turkey cant do anything. they know, they must accept a kurdish state, because USA want it and now they need an explanation for explain it to her stupid and fascist people. what is better than a friendlie KRG who is helping turks by fighting against PKK?

[KaniRashi]

Iraqi Kurdistan: Speculation about Realities of Independent State

The recent meeting of the head of the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government with the U.S. President Barack Obama was seen as a major development for the entire Kurdish population, and has led to speculation about the functioning of an independent Kurdish State.

Below is an article published by the Hurriyet Daily News:

United States President Barack Obama’s hosting the head of the Iraq’s Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), Masoud Barzani, at the White House in Washington is a significant development not only for Iraqi Kurds but for all Kurds.

The U.S., by hosting Barzani as the equivalent of a head of state, has highlighted its special interest in the Kurds. This interest is not new. It is an intimateness that began to become clear especially after the Cold War.

A Kurdish intellectual, now a part of the KRG, who was once a peshmarga wandering the mountains, told me a while back:

“We were continuously debating among ourselves during the Cold War whether the Palestinians or the Kurds would be first to have an independent state in the Middle East.”

The fact that the Kurds live separated into four countries, Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, used to be described as “the strategic misfortune of the Kurds.” It was put forth that if a serious independent Kurdish statehood movement ever emerged in one of those areas, in the final analysis, it would be choked by the four states. That period can be said to have ended with the Cold War.

With the Iraqi Kurds’ de facto statehood after the Gulf (1991) and Iraq (2003) wars toppled Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship, and with the emergence of the KRG under the auspices of the U.S. and Europe, the possibility of new scenarios emerged.

The topic of a federation in Iraq was once upon a time within the red lines of Turkey. It was also Ankara’s longtime policy to ignore Barzani and Talabani. These are history now.

Turkey, over time and also with forward movement of life, has reached the correct decision and accepted the fact of the KRG in Iraq. But one question about Iraqi Kurds still exists in Ankara: What if the Kurds declare an independent state and make the de facto situation official, what would Turkey do then?

Masoud Barzani told the Al Sharqiya channel in Baghdad, “The fact that Kurds have been persecuted cannot be overlooked. We are also a nation, like the others. We are no less [a nation] than the Persian, Arab or Turkish nations. How many countries has the Arab nation been separated into? Kurdistan is also separated into many nations and a Kurdish state has never been allowed.”

Neither a separation nor a union can ever be forced, Barzani said, citing the examples of Czechoslovakia and Germany, and adding, “Those that have been forcefully separated have united after 40 years. A day will come when the Kurdish nation will unite and have the right to self-determination. I do not approve of violence. I don’t see this as an issue to be solved by violence and arms. Everyone should know this. “

Because both Barzani and Talabani have kept the ideal of an “independent Kurdish state” warm in their hearts, for all Kurds in the world, including those who live in Turkey, Iraq’s Kurdistan Regional Government is special. It is a “state formation” that is both cherished and monitored closely. Something similar to the feelings and thoughts that all Jews in the world have about Israel is what all Kurds feel about the KRG.

While we are discussing whether Kurdish should be an elective course in Turkish schools, Kurdish children in Southeast Anatolia are being sent to Iraqi Kurdistan to attend schools and universities that teach in Kurdish. Are we aware of this?

In such an environment, if Ankara and the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government start taking steps to put the Kurdish issue on track to a peaceful solution as soon as possible, then Turkey will be relieved, and its room to maneuver and have regional influence will expand. Otherwise, hard times await us.

http://www.unpo.org/article/14150

[KaniRashi]

President Jalal Talabani speech, his views about Independent Sth Kurdistan
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/04/2012415183347330127.html

[Rando]

President Jalal Talabani speech, his views about Independent Sth Kurdistan
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/04/2012415183347330127.html

Thanks for the link. i really don`t believe that he means what he says. i think he says it only to make the Arab people happy. after all,it is on a Arabic new site (al jezeera). And how he talks about how easily the Erbil-Baghdad problem can be solved and that Iraq is a democratic country,a model for its neighbors ,only strengthen my belief that he is not honest in that interview and only says that to relief the iraqi people and tell them "You are doing good in the middle east". Iraq will not be democratic even in the coming DECADE,and he knows this. as long as maliki have influence over the iraqi people,iraq won`t see the light of democracy.

[alan131210]

Ala Talabani an MP at the Iraqi parliament also a PUK official announced "Kurds seek internal and external support to establish their own state" adding that " we will welcome USA's support on the matter"

Worth mentioning few Turkish and foreign websites had published an article that USA, had urged Turkey to support a Kurdish state in KRG, advising that KRG's oil would also benefit Turkey's economic growth, which Turkey later set Conditions for Ankara to recognize the Kurdish state in KRG.

In a speech that KRG's president Massoud Barzani delivered on Newroz (kurdish new year) , he had announced that, if Baghdad does not implement KRG's long awaited outstanding issues he will then have no choicebut to return to his people and ask for their final decision adding that time has run out and they can no longer wait nor tricked by Baghdad.

http://rudaw.net/kurdish/index.php/news/13027.html

[alan131210]

[brendar]

Is it necessary/must for currencies to have pictures on?

If you put the picture of Kak Barzani then the other 3 parts will not agree!
If you put the picture of Kak Peshewa Qazi then the other 3 parts will not agree!

I think the ahmad khani is a better choice than the other 2, yet i think there has to be one that will satisfy every kurd. The reason is because South kurdistan will be sort of the "foundation" of the Kingdom of Kurdistan. This means whenever we all united in near future, there won't be problems to change to different currency.

Still, lets give credits to the hard work of that person for atleast thinking about an important aspect.
Just an opinion.

[crazyhorse]

Is it necessary/must for currencies to have pictures on?

If you put the picture of Kak Barzani then the other 3 parts will not agree!
If you put the picture of Kak Peshewa Qazi then the other 3 parts will not agree!

I think the ahmad khani is a better choice than the other 2, yet i think there has to be one that will satisfy every kurd. The reason is because South kurdistan will be sort of the "foundation" of the Kingdom of Kurdistan. This means whenever we all united in near future, there won't be problems to change to different currency.

Still, lets give credits to the hard work of that person for atleast thinking about an important aspect.
Just an opinion.

Well, the Barzani important was and is very important for the Kurdish cause in South-Kurdistan. If there is family in modern Kurdish history who've contributed a lot, then it's the Barzani family. Mustafa Barzani for example, the father of Massoud Barzani, led one of the most successfull Kurdish revolts against the enemy (Iraqi Arabs). They killed tens of thousands and defeated the Iraqi Army.

Besides, this currency will be used in South-Kurdistan (if this currency is approved and is going to be used). So it would be very logical to use Kurds from South-Kurdistan for the currency. Also Kurds from other parts, but there must be Kurds from South-Kurdistan on it.

[alan131210]

The MP for the coalition of state law Izzat Shabandar , led by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said on 16 April / April (Rn) that "there is no reason for the survival of the Arabs and the Kurds in common within the State of Iraq if Kurdistan remains part of Iraq, union will be unstable, "adding that" the survival of the Kurdistan region in Iraq, not in the interest of Kurdistan and Iraq. "

He Shabandar his belief that "secession of the Kurdistan region of Iraq is the best solution, I do not think that improved relations between the Kurdistan region and Iraq in the future, it will appear new problems every day, so the only solution is the transformation of Kurdistan and Iraq to the two states are cooperating with each other and linked by a good relationship."

And that "the idea of ​​dividing Iraq into two is my personal opinion, but it is an opinion and an overview of the Arabs and the Kurds in Iraq."

The official said the movement in the province of Kirkuk, Mazen Abdul-Jabbar Abu Galal, told the Kurdish news agency (Rn) "It is unacceptable for all the people of Iraq that is a deputy state law as it is not acceptable to Congress the other blocs say is not acceptable for this MP to call publicly for the division of Iraq and calls into question national unity and common life for his children for hundreds of years, keeping up with their blood and sacrifice throughout these years, the unity of their country and their living together ".

He continued by saying "All the major political blocs entered the recent parliamentary elections and the electoral program of political discourse is almost identical and focuses on the national constants and stresses exceeded all sectarian and ethnic alignments and move on to confirm the true sense of national belonging and loyalty to the Iraq one."

He added tirelessly that "the words of Deputy Shabandar very serious and comes at an important stage and critical of Iraq's history and give a justification for many of those who work in secret and in public on the division and fragmentation of Iraq as it may appear we have another deputy says was left for the year and Shiites common ground to live in the framework of one country and another appears to no longer say to the Muslims and Christians, the foundations for co-existence and thus to the people of Iraq and Johmoa Akhaddauhm their plans to carry out the evil in the division of the country and cut into pieces and handed over to an easy prey to neighboring countries. "

He explained, "We assure not to bypass the red line and emphasize the unity of Iraqi land and people, and without prejudice to the coexistence of the Sons of Iraq, the one and reject all attempts to divide Iraq and to address them and this is what we saw during our meeting Bdavlatkm part of a delegation for the people of the province of Kirkuk in 2009 and before the elections." .

He pointed out that "such a statement can not be justified as a personal opinion because they affect the national constants and unconstitutional as it is a member of the cluster key should adhere throated political and approach stated in addition to being a member of parliament who swear by it (to preserve the independence and sovereignty of Iraq , and safeguard the interests of his people and ensure the safety of land, sky, water, wealth and its democratic federal system). "

The official called the National Accord Movement in Kirkuk, "Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to respond to such a statement especially as it came from a member of his coalition," and also said, "We ask of your state as President the authority Altiveh and leader of the parliamentary bloc a big deal with this approach and calculation of promoted within Constitutional and legal framework and political leaders as we seek to hold accountable the rest of the blocks and thus promotes the prevention of the statements and manipulate the fate of this Iraq. "

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