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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:42 pm

Apparently they interviewed some of the soldiers who had left mosul. They said they didn't want to leave their posts, but all their commanders had left, during ISIS arrival. And the Iraqi army soldiers had to leave since they were not given any commands by their officers attached to the region. So they left aswell. So apparently from what I understand, alot of the regional commanders must have been baathists/ISIS affiliated commanders. Maliki promised to punish the deserters. It seems to be a strategic move by ISIS/former-baathists.

talsor wrote:Fighting erupted in Tikrit now and part of the city is under ISIS control . Anbar is gone , mosul is gone and soon tikrit will be gone with all the weapons and banks .
ISIS is officially the richest terror group in the entire world .


Actually Peshmergas are retaking parts of mosul and kirkuk. They've pushed ISIS out of Mosul airport and parts of kirkuk. Even maliki realized he cannot trust Sunnis in the army. He's currently drafting an army from southern Iraq. It doesn't look good for ISIS.

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:47 pm

Tikrit fall and Samara. Now the next is Baghdad soon ? Shia militias are being deployed in force on outskirts of Baghdad to prevent an assault by ISIS.

Concerning Kurds :

Peshmergas controls Beiji oil refinery in Kirkuk. They entered in Khanaqin, and in all Kurdish areas out of KRG. I hope for ever. They took the control of Mosul airport. Still fighting in W. Mosul.

Clash between ISIS and Peshmergas in Shingal border. Peshmerga official told Rudaw that ISIS fled after they realized they were fighting against Peshmerga close to border. 5 ISIS killed.

Everywhere peshmergas fought with ISIS they seem to dominate, while ISIS does not confront with them when they could avoid it. I suppose they want to reach Bagdad soon and not be stopped by Kurds.

Peshmerga Only Bulwark Against ISIS Sweep, Former Iraqi Officer Says

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Because of their long experience in guerrilla warfare, the Kurdish Peshmerga forces are the only bulwark that can thwart the sweep of Islamic militants further across Iraq, according to a former Iraqi army officer.

Iraq’s Shiite-led government has been in shock since days ago losing control of the country’s second-largest city, Mosul in the northwest, to Sunni jihadists from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

All of this year, the government has been unsuccessfully battling al-Qaeda and its splinter ISIS, in three other provinces, Diyala, Salahaddin and Anbar.

The former Iraqi officer, who is now a security analyst, said the Islamic fighters are taking shelter in civilian areas, where the army cannot confront them openly.

“To regain control and minimize civilian casualties, the government must stage urban warfare with mechanized infantry squads in residential neighborhoods,” said the former officer, who was speaking in Baghdad, and did not want his name used.

He said that some Iraqi officials were right in “seeking the help of Peshmerga forces in their war on terrorists, because of their experience, expertise and knowledge of urban warfare.”

He added that the Peshmerga forces, which are controlled by the autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in northern Iraq, are well suited to confront the jihadist advance because of their “knowledge of the area’s geography, as well as their proximity to them.”


The fall of Mosul came just days after Iraq took delivery of its first F-16 fighter plane from the United States. Iraq’s Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had appealed for the fighters -- and other equipment that Washington is delivering under a multibillion dollar deal -- to crush the insurgents.

But the security expert said that air power cannot bring the militants to heel.

“Relying on the air force and setting siege to cities in order to crack down on militants is not only inefficient, it has widened the reach of ISIS to include the three provinces,” he said.

He added that the ISIS sweep through Mosul and other northwestern territories “proves that the military tactics of the Iraqi security agencies are wrong, ineffective and have not limited the movement of ISIS.”


Mosul in Nineveh province, 400 km north of Baghdad, has been gripped in fear and chaos since Iraqi forces largely abandoned their positions, left behind their weapons, tore off their uniforms and disappeared in the face of an ISIS advance.

“Thousands of people in Mosul are trying to flee from the city toward either Baghdad or Kurdistan,” said Mohammed al-Shammari, 35, a displaced resident of Mosul who escaped to Baghdad. “The majority need housing and immediate resettlement.”

Al-Shammari warned of a humanitarian catastrophe, “Unless the government responds to the human waves fleeing from Mosul to escape the ISIS.”

Iraq’s Parliament Speaker Osama al-Nujaifi called the fall of Mosul a foreign invasion by fighters of different nationalities.

“There is support for these groups, but currently we must focus on defeating them and putting the country on the path of recovery. After that, we can investigate the source of their support,” said Nujaifi, referring to suspicions that the Sunni insurgents enjoy some local support.

Maliki, the embattled prime minister who is opposed by the country’s Sunnis, Kurds and many fellow Shiite parties, urged “everyone who can carry a gun" to start resisting against "terrorists."

But in Mosul, more anger was vented at Maliki’s government than at the vicious militants, whose rapid advances in the city have raised questions about the competence of an army long supported and trained by the United States.

Many Iraqis have been left wondering how their army, equipped with heavy weapons, just fell apart before a guerrilla force with light weaponry, giving up without much of a fight.
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PostAuthor: Londoner » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:51 pm

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talsor wrote:There were actually only 1300 terrorist and they took over a city of more than 2 millions with the entire army running away to Kurdistan

I am truly shocked that so few terrorist could destroy so much and chase away the entire Iraqi army and probably half the population a such a large city

At least we now know that the Peshmerga has nothing to fear from Iraqi so Baghdad might as well stop with their threats of the oil


It is really surprising. The whole army and police left their position disguised as civilians. They have left everything behind. But what is the secret behind it?

The high ranking officers claim they got orders from Baghdad, Noory Malikey Al-Tikrity, to withdraw quickly and given the free choice to take the weapons and equipments or not. Did this really happened?

1-if it really happened it is the trick of the Noory Malikey Al-Tickrity to get emergency power and gradually to become a dictator.

2- if it is not, A-the order could have come from Al-Qaeda in a clever way as it is from Baghdad. B-The order was from former Saddam Hussein high ranking officers brought back to the Army by Noory Malikey Al-Tickrity, disguised as an order from Baghdad.

3- The order could have been really from Baghdad, Shiite high commanders. This is simply to put an end to Iraq to save Iraqi Shiitte. Every day sunie Arabs kill hundreds of Shiites with car bombs and suicide bombers and they can not stop it. So the solution is to separate Shiites from Sunnies. This is only possible when sunnies takeover their own areas, which becomes an excuse for Shiites to take over their own areas and cleanse it from Sunnies.

Whatever it is, it is a bless for Kurdistan.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:58 pm

interview with senior kurdish politician: baghdad ‘wanted mosul to be captured by extremists’


The head of Iraqi Kurdistan’s most powerful political party in Mosul tells NIQASH how he managed to escape the city besieged by extremists. He also tells why he thinks Iraqi army soldiers didn’t fight but just fled and explains why a national state of emergency is a very bad idea indeed.

http://www.niqash.org/articles/?id=3456



Top Iraqi politicians to meet tonight at Ibrahim Jaaferi's house in Baghdad to discuss the current developments. Barham Salih and Roj Shawais to represent Kurds in tonight's meeting at Jaaferi's house.
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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:27 pm

Piling wrote:interview with senior kurdish politician: baghdad ‘wanted mosul to be captured by extremists’


The head of Iraqi Kurdistan’s most powerful political party in Mosul tells NIQASH how he managed to escape the city besieged by extremists. He also tells why he thinks Iraqi army soldiers didn’t fight but just fled and explains why a national state of emergency is a very bad idea indeed.

http://www.niqash.org/articles/?id=3456



Top Iraqi politicians to meet tonight at Ibrahim Jaaferi's house in Baghdad to discuss the current developments. Barham Salih and Roj Shawais to represent Kurds in tonight's meeting at Jaaferi's house.


I still don't buy it. There are lots of shiah soldiers captured(who were abandoned by their colleagues) and killed by ISIS in mosul, including lower officers. They'd have retreated too if this was a strategic move by baghdad. To be honest, I want to see the batallions ethnic/sectarian composition before I make my mind. I mean some of the commanders are former baathists. This really is a blunder of US "reconciliation" project. They're so stupid, they think Iraq is like post-nazi germany, and they somehow can "de-baathify"Iraq, because Iraqi arabs will abandon baathism entirely like Germans did Nazism in post-ww2 Germany. What a joke. These people should be put on trial, not given posts in the army.

I mean how the f*** do you put a former baathist like this one, as a head of military?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abboud_Qanbar
As a head of operations and chief of staff, no less. This is a farce.

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PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:50 pm

KabirKuhi wrote:I still don't buy it. .


Heval Kabir , you are too smart for your own good :-D . If you stare enough and long enough , you will see the big picture .
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:06 pm

Have Manbij joined with ISIS ???

Manbij celebrating epic conquests in Iraq

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:10 pm

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inside mosul: how did extremists take over one of iraq's biggest cities in just five days?

The ISIS take over came quickly and actually began last Friday. After a series of suicide bombings were successfully carried out in the Mushayrafeh area, west of Mosul, a group of extremists were able to pass through security barriers erected by local police. The local security forces evacuated the checkpoints and withdrew to their headquarters. ISIS was then able to take over other parts of this area of the city, including the Najar, Yarmouk, Abar and Tanak neighbourhoods.

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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:59 pm

talsor wrote:
KabirKuhi wrote:I still don't buy it. .


Heval Kabir , you are too smart for your own good :-D . If you stare enough and long enough , you will see the big picture .


What am I missing?

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:01 pm

I don't think that Maliki cares about millions of shiites in Iraq. But in state of emergency he could find immediately his own advantage, while he was not sure to stay PM for the 3rd time.

But I don't think he planned all this from A to Z. He just took the opportunity.

Concerning Iraqi army behavior, it is a common case of stupidity and incompetence of commanders/elites/government and a panic among troops which reached population. : as French 'déroute' in 1940.

The less we can hope is KRG seizes all the disputed territories, and keep them. Then states its own confederation.

(if Iraq does not collapse).

The best : If Iraq becomes like Syria, then the road is opened to independency (in spite of USA opposition but not UE : the last Barzani Tour in Europe had an aim).
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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:22 pm

Piling wrote:I don't think that Maliki cares about millions of shiites in Iraq. But in state of emergency he could find immediately his own advantage, while he was not sure to stay PM for the 3rd time.

Maliki Isn't stupid, if he doesn't step up now, he'll be replaced. This is why he's raising another army.


Piling wrote:Concerning Iraqi army behavior, it is a common case of stupidity and incompetence of commanders/elites/government and a panic among troops which reached population. : as French 'déroute' in 1940.

I doubt it... iraqi army isn't facing german blitzkreig.... they're facing 1000-2000 salafi terorrists on trucks, with ak47, machine-guns and rpgs. So their behavior was either irrational or deliberate.

Piling wrote:The less we can hope is KRG seizes all the disputed territories, and keep them. Then states its own confederation.

Yes but these areas still have different demographics. Lots of arabs in those areas, do you think KRG can handle them all?

Piling wrote:The best : If Iraq becomes like Syria, then the road is opened to independency (in spite of USA opposition but not UE : the last Barzani Tour in Europe had an aim).

I doubt that will happen. I think if this continues... a civil war between arab shiahs and sunnis will happen. And if that happens, the sunni arabs will be ran out of Iraq.

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:23 pm

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Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities

is facing its gravest test since the US-led invasion more than a decade ago, after its army capitulated to Islamist insurgents who have seized four cities and pillaged military bases and banks, in a lightning campaign which seems poised to fuel a cross-border insurgency endangering the entire region.

The extent of the Iraqi army's defeat at the hands of militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) became clear on Wednesday when officials in Baghdad conceded that insurgents had stripped the main army base in the northern city of Mosul of weapons, released hundreds of prisoners from the city's jails and may have seized up to $480m in banknotes from the city's banks.

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers - roughly 30,000 men - simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.

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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:55 pm

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Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities

is facing its gravest test since the US-led invasion more than a decade ago, after its army capitulated to Islamist insurgents who have seized four cities and pillaged military bases and banks, in a lightning campaign which seems poised to fuel a cross-border insurgency endangering the entire region.

The extent of the Iraqi army's defeat at the hands of militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) became clear on Wednesday when officials in Baghdad conceded that insurgents had stripped the main army base in the northern city of Mosul of weapons, released hundreds of prisoners from the city's jails and may have seized up to $480m in banknotes from the city's banks.

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers - roughly [b]30,000 men - simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 [/b]fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... CMP=twt_gu

my god... wtf is wrong with these idiots? This is unreal. There is 37 soldiers for each isis militant. That's an entire squad of soldiers for every 1 Isis militant.

this explains it: "I'm convinced that what happened in Mosul is deliberate negligence or there is an agreement between the parties because it's impossible for an army to be unable to stand up to a group made up of hundreds of men."

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PostAuthor: Saipul » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:16 am

There is a video here of the Iraqi army fleeing from Kirkuk: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iraqi ... il-n128501

One of the craziest things I've seen, whole divisions afraid of at most a few thousand fighters.

But let's be honest. Unstable situations like this have great risk but also some possible reward. The state of Iraq is weakened and preoccupied, which should allow the KRG to continue and increase oil exports. Peshmerga can move south to secure and fortify Kurdish areas, namely Khanaqin and Kurdish areas around Kirkuk (which they are already doing). Just defend Kurdistan, that's all that matters.

Let the dogs fight.

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PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:54 am

Saipul wrote:There is a video here of the Iraqi army fleeing from Kirkuk: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iraqi ... il-n128501

One of the craziest things I've seen, whole divisions afraid of at most a few thousand fighters.

But let's be honest. Unstable situations like this have great risk but also some possible reward. The state of Iraq is weakened and preoccupied, which should allow the KRG to continue and increase oil exports. Peshmerga can move south to secure and fortify Kurdish areas, namely Khanaqin and Kurdish areas around Kirkuk (which they are already doing). Just defend Kurdistan, that's all that matters.

Let the dogs fight.


I don't agree with this, this is a selfish ethnocentric attitude. I'm Kurdish, and I'm loyal to kurds and kurdistan foremost, but I cannot stand innocent people being killed by savage retrograde terrorists(Regardless of their ethnicity). These people who are like monstrous devils, this cancer, they need to be eradicated, regardless of our conflicts with baghdad and nouri al maliki. To indiferently watch while they mercilessly massacre people over disputes, is immoral and ethically warped. Besides even if you're not convinced by moral values and principles, do you think kurdistan can take a endless stream of refugees?(They take more refugees from 1 day, than entire syrian war) What do you think will happen to Kurdistan if Iraq collapses and a civil war happens? Why are people acting like it won't affect Kurdistan? If I wasn't in poor health... I'd have volunteered there to fight ISIS. How many feyli kurds and how many kurds in west haven't they killed? How many shiahs, yezidis, christians, blood do they have on their hands? They'll try to come to kurdistan aswell. They'll leave no area in middle-east unscathed. We cannot pretend they'll not come to kurdish areas. They even have kurdish recruits(traitors) in KRG. It must stop here, we cannot close our doors and build walls, and pretend it's not our problem. The problem will come to kurdistan too, whether we want it or not.

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