Roj Bash Kurdistan

Hello !

I am "the Turk" from Istanbul. I have my private company producing armor and security glass.

Let me express my general point of view on mainly discussed issues :

- Unified Kurdistan:
It is nothing more than a dream. If anyone tries to invade Turkey for any claim on the Southeastern Turkey, they will find the Kurdish & Turkish soldiers killing them. If we close our southern borders, Iraqi Kurds will begin to die from hunger. And that is what "the others" want.
Then we will see photos of UN soldiers throwing food and clothes to the hungry Kurdish people. The same plot as in Afghanistan and in Africa.

- Kurdistan in the Northern Iraq
Mountains to the Kurds, deserts to the Arabs, oil to the "Western Alliance".
That is what the Iraqi people will get, nothing more. Sitting on oil deposits will bring the Iraqi Kurds no prosperity, but slavery. Tribe leaders like Barzani & Talabani, will suck and distribute all the petro-dollars to their own tribes. What will you produce ? What will you sell to the world ?

- Iraq - Turkey relations
Turkey will always help the Iraqi people. We gave food and shelter to the Pesmerges, when Saddam made the ethnical cleansing in the Northern Iraq. I employed 2 illegal refugee pesmerges just to help them, and gave them the same wage as the Turks earn, although they were ready to work for the half of that wage. Where were the "Western Alliance" then. Who gave those WMD to Saddam ? The Iraqi officials first come to us for technical and commercial co-operation, because they know that we are the only neighbour country, who does not have any malicious plans for Iraq.

- Iraqi Turks
Iraqi Turks belong to the unified Iraq. Autonomy for them is not a matter of dispute. They have the right to live in peace.

We do not have time to lose with all the problems in the Middle East, we are a forward looking nation.

All the best.

Selam - hos geldin...

Umarim buraya sohbet icin geldin...

So - tell us... What "rights" do you give the Kurds? You already told us what you don't want the Kurds to have... So what do you want us to have?

So what do you want us to have?

The right to become Turks or Arabs.

Merhaba hos geldin...

I don't think southern kurds want to invade turkey, they just want to leave in peace and build their country!

And I really agree with your last sentence! don't bother with middle east!

Merhaba Diri,

Hos bulduk.

We inherited the Ottoman Empire.
When we take a look at the former Ottoman countries, all of those nations speak their own language. It is very clear that the Turks did not apply cultural colonization.
Hindus and Pakistanis speak English, Algerians and most African nations speak French, South Afrikans speak Dutch, all of the South Americans speak Portugese or Spanish. Speaking another nation's language in your own land means mass killings, genocides, rapes, slavery to make that country accept the invader's conditions.
We didn't do any of these to any of the Ottoman "millets" that were under our rule. They lived in peace, lived their own cultures without any pressure from above, and established their own nation states, when the time was up.
Now we, as the Turkish nation, enjoy the good results of our good deeds in the past. When I speak with a Bulgarian, Greek, Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian, I can feel their gratitude to my ancestors, because we did not kill anybody for grabbing their resources.
After the Ottomans, they saw the Nazis in Europe, the Russians and the Serbians in Asia and in the Balkans, Americans in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, the British in India and in the Middle East, French in Africa and the Italians in Libya and in Ethiopia. All of those rulings were shames for the humankind.

Tomjez, when you say to me "Don't bother with the middle east", i am sure it means "Leave the Middle East to us so that we can freely kill their men naming them terrorists, rape their women and suck their resources."

Are you interested in the American Indians, who are also willing to re-build their country, or the Northern Irish, who are very willing to get rid of the British rule ? Are you interested in the pity Palestinians, who are losing their lives and lands every day ? I don't think so.
Why are you not willing to help establishing a unified Iraq again?
I very well know that the British and Americans are very good at dividing nations, but very unwilling at unifying them.
As a human aid worker, you are a right hand petting the Iraqis' right cheeks, while the Western Army, left hand is punching on their left cheek.

- Unified Kurdistan:
It is nothing more than a dream.

tell that to the pkk!

- Iraqi Turks
Iraqi Turks belong to the unified Iraq. Autonomy for them is not a matter of dispute.

your comments are biased, so autonomy for turks in iraq,who are not even 10% of the iraqi population, yet autonomy for kurds is a dream?

Ataturk was a racist, with strict nationalistic views, most turks hate him, Adolf hitler is recorded to have said that ataurk was his teacher, thats the problem with turks who follow ataturk, they follow a nazi-like regime, it will never be successful because it is anti everything but turk.he was anti-islam and banned anything that was islamic,

Now we, as the Turkish nation, enjoy the good results of our good deeds in the past

which ones are they? mass killings of kurds in the kurdistan of turkey, rape, torture, imprisonment of journalists (kurds and turks) who even mention the word kurd, banning languages other than turkish, banning newroz, banning cultural expression? which good deeds?

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When I speak with a Bulgarian, Greek, Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian, I can feel their gratitude to my ancestors,

what bullshit! Greek? i doubt that, turks dont even recognise cyprus cos its a greek island, they only accept the imaginary turkish side that you invaded!

I very well know that the British and Americans are very good at dividing nations, but very unwilling at unifying them.

your only good point so far!

The British divided the Kurdish nation and created Iraq. And now the Turks want to keep Iraq: the British project together! How ironical Turk!

And one more thing mister nationalist: the Ottoman empire cannot be compared to Turkey! Turkey isn't the Ottoman empire with an millet system and respect for other cultures/nations.

If Turkey was Ottoman empire, there was autonomy for the Kurds now and they would live together under a green Islamic flag.

Never forget that Mustufa Kemal Atatürk abolished the caliphate system, killed/deported sheiks and brought Islam under state-control.

In Hungary where I currently live there is a lot of gratitude for the Baths system introduced by the Ottoman Empire here, but that's about it.

For the rest all balkanic countries hate turks for stupid reasons.

Tomjez, when you say to me "Don't bother with the middle east", i am sure it means "Leave the Middle East to us so that we can freely kill their men naming them terrorists, rape their women and suck their resources."

Bu ne demek ????

In the Middle-East also, Turks are not popular, because of massacres at the end of the Ottoman empire.

Vladimir wrote:The British divided the Kurdish nation and created Iraq. And now the Turks want to keep Iraq: the British project together! How ironical Turk!

And one more thing mister nationalist: the Ottoman empire cannot be compared to Turkey! Turkey isn't the Ottoman empire with an millet system and respect for other cultures/nations.

If Turkey was Ottoman empire, there was autonomy for the Kurds now and they would live together under a green Islamic flag.

Never forget that Mustufa Kemal Atatürk abolished the caliphate system, killed/deported sheiks and brought Islam under state-control.

This is half true, yeah ottomans have millet system, but they tried to control kurdish clans too.

But I agree, If there were ottomans, most probably our situation now would be different.

Kurds in Turkey would call themself as ottoman.

zurderer wrote:

Vladimir wrote:The British divided the Kurdish nation and created Iraq. And now the Turks want to keep Iraq: the British project together! How ironical Turk!

And one more thing mister nationalist: the Ottoman empire cannot be compared to Turkey! Turkey isn't the Ottoman empire with an millet system and respect for other cultures/nations.

If Turkey was Ottoman empire, there was autonomy for the Kurds now and they would live together under a green Islamic flag.

Never forget that Mustufa Kemal Atatürk abolished the caliphate system, killed/deported sheiks and brought Islam under state-control.

This is half true, yeah ottomans have millet system, but they tried to control kurdish clans too.

But I agree, If there were ottomans, most probably our situation now would be different.

Kurds in Turkey would call themself as ottoman.

Kurds WERE Ottoman... The Ottomans weren't a ethnic group - they were a Muslim group...

The people were first Muslim and then they were Kurd, Turk, Arab etc...

Kurds weren't controlled...

The Mîr (Prince) in the E-Mîrates (Prince-doms) were the rulers of the Kurdish lands. They swore allegiance to the Sultan - but the Sultan had no "real" power in Kurdistan - just formal power...

And the only place the Ottomans did try to controll the Mîrs - was on the border with the Persian Empire - which also tried to controll the Kurdish Mîrs----> Because they tried to get more land by paying/bribing the Mîrs...

If the Ottomans had been in power today, if Atatürk had not existed, The Ottoman Empire would be a democratic institution - which recognized Kurds and other ethnicities... And so many Christians wouldn't have died either...
Not to mention all the dead Muslims...

That is half true again, Ottoman is an ethnicty like american.

Infact Turk is also an ethnicity like ottomans.(As you know a lot laz, bosniak or other call themself as both turk and laz bosniak) Like ottoman bosniaks, ottoman laz.

But problem is, word is choosen poorly, It should be choosen as something like anatolian.

zurderer wrote:That is half true again, Ottoman is an ethnicty like american.

Infact Turk is also an ethnicity like ottomans.(As you know a lot laz, bosniak or other call themself as both turk and laz bosniak) Like ottoman bosniaks, ottoman laz.

But problem is, word is choosen poorly, It should be choosen as something like anatolian.

Exactly... Anatolian would be the RIGHT and HISTORIC name of the people living in ANATOLIA... Too bad Atatürk was "dying" to call it "Turkey"... Which is FINE in Turkish part - but Kurdistan was called Kurdistan in Ottoman time too... So no going back from that!

Well, It looks like that we will notgoing back from that!

After all a lot kurdish people accept word Turkiyeli,(people from Turkey)

Ah I hope you wont argue this with me, will you?

hat is half true again, Ottoman is an ethnicty like american.

Of course not, only a dynastic name. It is like you say that Ummayad or Abbasid were ethnic names.