PKK in Turkey

[Piling]

this french chic cant stop her personal attcks on kurds.

You have to look at a dictionnary and learn the meaning of "personnal". If I "attack all the Kurds" it is not a "personnal attack" but a general one. If I say "Womanizer is a moron with racist and fascist ideas" it is a personnal attack but a right appreciation.

[Vladimir]

The fact that Piling doesn't like the PKK, doesn't mean she is against Kurds. She works for the Kurdish Institute in Paris and recently visited Erbil. I don't think she is against Kurds. She just have a different political motivation.

[womanizer]

Vladimir Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

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The fact that Piling doesn't like the PKK, doesn't mean she is against Kurds. She works for the Kurdish Institute in Paris and recently visited Erbil. I don't think she is against Kurds. She just have a different political motivation.

Thank you, interesting sentence, but allow me to say this.,
if you a Kurdish friend and or a Kurdish activist , Of course you welcome to be critics as any Kurdish organization or party in Kurdistan for sake of Kurdish peoples to improve their struggle, one more step further you also welcome to say that you don’t approve such a kurdistani party policy, and is wrong!! BUT If you consider a party or a organization which million Kurds connected and to it as Not kurdistani party and consider a leadership as traitors etc… this is direct insult to Kurdish nation
This is something even today Kurdish peoples themselves no longer call any politically party as not kurdistani party,..this is very dangerous and proactive game which Harm our nation unity and struggle, someone like this French Chic (piling) action really question able.
If you a nation activist and it doesn’t matter how much you do, you CAN NOT create Division in between them, this unacceptable, and really I do questions her motive. We have a lot Kurdish friend in worldwide today, day by day, I respect them very much and honors them.

[Piling]

In any case, I don't want to be called "Kurds' friend". I find it silly and meaningless. And I don't seek for awards, medals and honoured mentions...

[Dilo]

Womanizer i'm against the PKK also,especially against the guru who is still virtually the chief of this party.And i'm kurdish.Am i against the kurdish people??!

Don't assimilate the pkk to the Kurdish people please,you can be kurdish or pro-kurdish without having any sympathy for the psychopathe of Imrali or for another kurdish leader!

Concerning piling, she defends our cause for a long time as Vladimir specifies it,and she defends it very well.Contrary to much of the pkk leaders and sympathizers,she speaks our language...

A kurdish proverb says:the foreigner who speaks my language is more important( it is not the best adjective)for me than the compatriot who doesn't speak it.

[Diri]

Womanizer i'm against the PKK also,especially against the guru who is still virtually the chief of this party.And i'm kurdish.Am i against the kurdish people??!

Don't assimilate the pkk to the Kurdish people please,you can be kurdish or pro-kurdish without having any sympathy for the psychopathe of Imrali or for another kurdish leader!

Concerning piling, she defends our cause for a long time as Vladimir specifies it,and she defends it very well.Contrary to much of the pkk leaders and sympathizers,she speaks our language...

A kurdish proverb says:the foreigner who speaks my language is more important( it is not the best adjective)for me than the compatriot who doesn't speak it.

I like that pro-verb!

And I love how it can also be a metaphor!

By the way - Great words...

[Vladimir]

In any case, I don't want to be called "Kurds' friend". I find it silly and meaningless. And I don't seek for awards, medals and honoured mentions...

There aren't a lot of Kurdish awards or medals. Maybe a good idea for the Kurdish government to create:p.

And to Womanizer what do you think Piling's motive is? I think she is not creating division. Kurdish parties do that themselves.

I myself am not very fond of PKK's political struggle. But I accept them as a Kurdish party and I do not see them as terrorists. They did good and bad things. I don't like the use of the word terrorist anyway.

[womanizer]

Dilo Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:

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Womanizer i'm against the PKK also,especially against the guru who is still virtually the chief of this party.And i'm kurdish.Am i against the kurdish people??!

Don't assimilate the pkk to the Kurdish people please,you can be kurdish or pro-kurdish without having any sympathy for the psychopathe of Imrali or for another kurdish leader!

Concerning piling, she defends our cause for a long time as Vladimir specifies it,and she defends it very well.Contrary to much of the pkk leaders and sympathizers,she speaks our language...

A kurdish proverb says:the foreigner who speaks my language is more important( it is not the best adjective)for me than the compatriot who doesn't speak it.

Watch your dirty mouth!!!

Dude!! What you have said doesn’t bring anything good but harm to our unity and our nation struggle so I guess you the one of cheaper baggers ,gypsy grow up in street, go educate yourself then come we talk.

Denying PKK and its leadership, it is absolute madness.

We do not need those who learning our language to destroy us know her French chic very well know her motives(as they did in Rawanda..oh yeah sound is very familiar..one single French man Radio announcer cause killing 1.3 millions..)

[womanizer]

I myself am not very fond of PKK's political struggle. But I accept them as a Kurdish party and I do not see them as terrorists.

Dear Russian Mafia, Vladimir

Good point Valid, but as you are Kurdish activist and sympatric, you really could do more, I seen you article, in news and blogs, some disappointing. i do not critizing your objectivity nor your opinions. But one should think. As Kurdish friend what would benefited them by attacking PKK? While we have giant enemies’ media and their friends world wide bombarding with news headlines misleading world and showing us as killers. Inhuman..etc..
PKK is one of biggest party in whole Kurdistan and as first party in Kurdistan history ever fought in 4 front lines.PKK is symbolize Kurdistan as whole regardless as followers or believers or not.PKK stand as strong as ever during hardest time. It is proud of our nation sacrifice, It is a glory of Kurdish race.
You know Southern Kurdistan President, last month said, there is no such Kurdish party in here and in northern Kurdistan as terrorist(even he never called PKK a terrorist during his visit to USA, he show them as freedom fighters),. So that should ring bell to all peoples who talk about PKK. Because he knows what is good for our nation unity and he knows what PKK stand for.

[Piling]

I have always claimed that France should be judged for its involvement in Rwanda genocide. For the difference between you and me is that I a am able to criticize my own compatriots, state or politicians, and don't howl it is a plot against the unitity of the nation and other silly stuff, as you do yourself.

In fact it is amazing to see as you have the same argument, mind and speeches that a Ultra-nationalist Turk. Each critics is a treason to the "holy nation", "holy leader" etc. Apocî and Grey wolves are really twins.

[womanizer]

Piling Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

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I have always claimed that France should be judged for its involvement in Rwanda genocide. For the difference between you and me is that I a am able to criticize my own compatriots, state or politicians, and don't howl it is a plot against the unitity of the nation and other silly stuff, as you do yourself.

In fact it is amazing to see as you have the same argument, mind and speeches that a Ultra-nationalist Turk. Each critics is a treason to the "holy nation", "holy leader" etc. Apocî and Grey wolves are really twins.

shame on you!! you still dont get it!!

Well correction, you never can compare yourselves neither your country to me or to Kurdistan. Why?
The reason is very simple. Today Francs well recognized counter and bi colonial old systems(where overt 90% are racist) and with neither internal war or colonized by 5 countries to pieces, quiet opposite, francs still have a lot stake in africa that feed peoples like you from poor African.,,

still some African counter treated by France like 19 century , not to mention using black African military dictators to hold power to serve French interest and keep to such countries dark democracy. so this totally different. In your parliament political parties arguing with each other swear and so on. That is normal democracy to do. So for Kurds when we have our freedom and independent, they have right criticizing each other or have civilize argument. But right now when my country turning to river of blood, and some Rawandas anchor, or Knogo missionary pop up, turn Kurds against one another, that is show the exact picture and your real dark face.

Not also to mention division of of Kurdish nation .,where million died assimlaited, to serve arab- france, the well protect of lozan agreement ,over half million Kurds in western Kurdistan thank to glory of Arab-France not recognized as human been. Do you have any right at all to question me?/ aren’t you shame yourself?

In early 1970 your president Jacques Chirac have seen video when he signing first Iraqi atomic and chmical reactors..no wonder they want saddam to stay in power to finish the rest of kurds in south. The pioneer of Kurdish genocide and Anfal is fact is franc itself. So I suggests if you have abit mercy and humanity in yourblood, you shouldn’t not questioning Kurds at all but also leave them alone.

Why France now adopted policy of Armenian genocide now? Why not Kurdish genocide, why france put blind eyes in 25 million in Kurdistan ..Since Turkish foundation over 10 million may have killed in all part of Kurdistan ..isn’t this also genocide???

You still don’t have brain!! ,your slow mind and bilind eyes, comparing me to fascit Turk??how could you compare someone who considered by even your countery as non-existence and try to stay alive with someone who occupying killing massmudering a nation? If Kurdistan and my systems is in place and I was attacking other nations , then you had right…you never can understand ?? can’t you?/ your colonial mind grow up in coroner of Paris, excited by turklogy ,arablogy, then you find something interesting ,which you have no idea about it at all and keeping harming it without knowing what is look like.

[tomjez]

I think the comparison with fascist turk is very valid indeed... I've seen a looooooooooooooot of PKK morons before, but you definitely deserve an award, insulting everybody who disgrees with you (I.E everybody in his right mind)...

PKK is symbolize Kurdistan as whole regardless as followers or believers or not.PKK stand as strong as ever during hardest time. It is proud of our nation sacrifice, It is a glory of Kurdish race.

Bla blaaaa blaaa...you really believe in that shit? "glory of kurdish race" for god sake....

Because he knows what is good for our nation unity and he knows what PKK stand for.

PKK made war against PUK, how can you think Talabani really likes them Apo called him "a tribal leader" and a independant southern kurdistan "a catastrophe and a second israel"

Of course you will say I'm a liar and so on, but he did say that, and I believe more the transcript of his interviews with his lawyer than a damn illiterate racist diaspora kudish teen...

[womanizer]

@Tomjez

You really anarchist!!! aren’t you?

this is kurdish nation matters we all fight each other, you are talking immature and ruabbish, this tradgy happend to every nation, internal civil war always been, right or wrong is no time to talk,,Kurds are learnning from it.the rest shall be lefted to great independent Kurdistan text book to talk about it..but not here is not in yourlimite to distroy our unity..not by you nor by French chic..That is all i guess!! you peoples still don’t understand..nither know the circumstances, reading false or miss leaded by media, transcript blah blah..you just trying by such accusation turn Kurds against each other..

kurdistani internal matter is belong to us. So skip this. stop insult PKK and other parties. I am very proud PKK and also love our brothers and sisters in other kurdistani parties PDK,YNK<etc..We are all one..So be sure of that.
Yes !! very much proud to glory of not just kurdish nation but also glory of Kurdish race!!!

[tomjez]

you know your bullshit about race it totally in contradiction with the ideology of PKK?

[Piling]

So skip this. stop insult PKK and other parties. I am very proud PKK and also love our brothers and sisters in other kurdistani parties PDK,YNK

Now let's answer :

When your beloved leader state that he is AGAINST Kurdish nationalism and AGAINST an independant Kurdish state in South, do you agree YES or NO ?