Peace in the country, Peace in the world... M.Kemal Ataturk

[zurderer]

hat is half true again, Ottoman is an ethnicty like american.

Of course not, only a dynastic name. It is like you say that Ummayad or Abbasid were ethnic names.

People were calling themself as ottoman, I dont know If people were calling themself as abbasid or ummayad.

[Diri]

Well, It looks like that we will notgoing back from that!

After all a lot kurdish people accept word Turkiyeli,(people from Turkey)

Ah I hope you wont argue this with me, will you?

No... I can be "Turkiyeli" - but I will never be Turkish...

Your comparison of Ottoman with American is funny...

If you had said: Iranian and American are the same, I would agree more with you... I wouldn't agree 100%!

But Ottoman was just an EMPIRE... And Iran is also an Empire - the Persian Empire...

So I don't accept that American is the same as Ottoman or Iranian...

Because Americans: a nation of immigrants!

Ottoman: Originally a Turkish state - conquered other nations... Like the Kurds, Arabs, Bulgarians, Greek etc...

America was built with democracy: the states held elections and referendums to vote for or against joining "The United States of America"...

"America" by the way, IS a geographical name... Turkey is not... It it political... Kurdistan has been a geographical name for the area just as much as Anatolia has been...

[zurderer]

Infact Turkey is also a geographical name, Ataturk was not first one who called anatolia as turkey, a lot European countries called anatolia as turkey.

[Diri]

Infact Turkey is also a geographical name, Ataturk was not first one who called anatolia as turkey, a lot European countries called anatolia as turkey.

Yes - but they didn't talk about what today is called Turkey... They meant the Western part of todays Turkey...

The Eastern part was always known as Kurdistan and Armenia... Untill the Armenian genocide - then it was just Kurdistan...

[zurderer]

they talked about lands under ottoman rules, Infact this consist western anatolia(mainly greek), blacksea coast, lazistan, kurdistan ext.

[Piling]

they talked about lands under ottoman rules

Kurdistan was a geographical name even in 16th century. Kurdistan or Armenia were on old maps.

[zurderer]

yeah It is northern kurdistan, eastern turkey, western armenia. A place have a lot names.

[Piling]

Before 1923; Kurdistan was not a taboo as a name, not at all. It is a "Kemalist phobia" now.

[zurderer]

that is true, turkification policy effected names of a lot place.
Not only kurdistan, even my village(a small village at trabzon) was renamed.

but well, It looks like kurdistan is turning back.

[tomjez]

Where are you from near trabzon? I travelled a bit in this area, so green I particularly enjoyed Rize and the Kaçkar Dagi...looks like a very very hot switzerland with tea plants

[Piling]

Yeah green mountains around Trabzon are very beautiful, but the weather was horribly muggy.

[zurderer]

Where are you from near trabzon? I travelled a bit in this area, so green I particularly enjoyed Rize and the Kaçkar Dagi...looks like a very very hot switzerland with tea plants

err not near, inside of trabzon and old greek village.(Infact almost all villages have an old greek name)

I like blacksea too, but my heart belongs to istanbul.

[tomjez]

In summer it was paradize, except I was sweating like never! So wet...but very sunny...I have an amazing souvenir of this trip!

[Vladimir]

In summer it was paradize, except I was sweating like never! So wet...but very sunny...I have an amazing souvenir of this trip!

Diseases? I guess there are a lot of bugs, flies and mosquito’s there.

[tomjez]

Don't remember being bothered by it! and no sweat was because it waw 40 degrees and 95 % humidity