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PostAuthor: Balci » Sun May 20, 2007 10:33 pm

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Balci wrote:sure, but, meaby you could tell us more about yourself?, would've been nice :)

what do you want to know? feel free to ask question.


Land, age, sex, you know, so we could know you better :)

yalova, 18, female. what about you?


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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Mon May 21, 2007 11:52 am

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Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Mon May 21, 2007 1:45 pm

Mongolian, Turkic, SE European, and yea. alot more.

No race - No reason to brief about their nationalism, and start bothering other pure races.
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Mon May 21, 2007 7:35 pm

Balci wrote:Mongolian, Turkic, SE European, and yea. alot more.

No race - No reason to brief about their nationalism, and start bothering other pure races.


Human it self is a pure race. Anything within being human should just be considered breeds or ethnicities.

There was only one other human race and that was the neanderthals.
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PostAuthor: nuray » Mon May 21, 2007 8:11 pm

Balci wrote:
nuray wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)

so you think pkk are not terrorist? i have a kurd friend that thinks they are. do most kurds think they are not terrorist?


Well, if we were to learn from history, we would discover that the ''terrorists'' is freedom fighters. And the enemy, would use its power to spread propaganda about them, while the ''terrorists'' could not.

Those who are terrorists in this scenario, must be Turkish anti-Kurds, A definition of a terrorist is to describe someone that destroy for other persons to achieve goals itself, while we destroy to keep our identity and culture, you destroy for keeping Kurdish land and oil.

Give us our land and rights, and we won't bother you.

i am not a terrorist and i do not ''...destroy for keeping kurdish land and oil''!
say your ''freedom fighters'' as you call them get your ''land'' back which i do not think will happen. how would you treat the zaza and other non-kurds left on your ''land''? what would you do to them?
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PostAuthor: nuray » Mon May 21, 2007 8:34 pm

Darkseid wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals? saying we are not pure race? there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''
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PostAuthor: Balci » Mon May 21, 2007 10:16 pm

nuray wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals? saying we are not pure race? there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''


My point is that you Turks should not look down on us as a impure race, since you are not that clean yourself.

When it comes to Zaza, I would treat them like brothers, I don't dislike them, And I don't want other people to suffer under oppresion, same opinion goes with all my Kurdish brothers and sisters.
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Mon May 21, 2007 11:03 pm

nuray wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals?


Cause last time I checked human's weren't considered plants.

saying we are not pure race?


WRONG! I said humans are a pure race. I am just saying that you cannot divide humans into races.

there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''


Don't bring up the races crap. Turks are a part of the same race as Kurds, Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, and Jews.

And that race is known as humans.

If you want to talk about another race of people you will have to go as far back as 20,000 years, because that was when the Neanderthals were around.

What divides us is this breed/clan stuff.

PEOPLE, we need to see ourselves as humans before anything else or there will never be peace. I don't care what you guys got to say about it. One of the main reasons for why there is war is because people continue to distance themselves from each other and until we can learn to stop, there will always be conflict and war.
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PostAuthor: nuray » Mon May 21, 2007 11:08 pm

Balci wrote:
nuray wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals? saying we are not pure race? there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''


My point is that you Turks should not look down on us as a impure race, since you are not that clean yourself.

When it comes to Zaza, I would treat them like brothers, I don't dislike them, And I don't want other people to suffer under oppresion, same opinion goes with all my Kurdish brothers and sisters.

i do not look down on or think kurds are impure. i do not like to be looked down on either. i just am uneasy since i do not know who are ''freedom fighters'' that may blow us up or gun us down... there are bad people in every race that are greedy, selfish, full of pride and want power...
i agree with you about not wantin ''other poeple to suffer under oppression.''
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PostAuthor: nuray » Mon May 21, 2007 11:12 pm

Darkseid wrote:
nuray wrote:
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K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals?


Cause last time I checked human's weren't considered plants.

saying we are not pure race?


WRONG! I said humans are a pure race. I am just saying that you cannot divide humans into races.

there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''


Don't bring up the races crap. Turks are a part of the same race as Kurds, Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, and Jews.

And that race is known as humans.

If you want to talk about another race of people you will have to go as far back as 20,000 years, because that was when the Neanderthals were around.

What divides us is this breed/clan stuff.

PEOPLE, we need to see ourselves as humans before anything else or there will never be peace. I don't care what you guys got to say about it. One of the main reasons for why there is war is because people continue to distance themselves from each other and until we can learn to stop, there will always be conflict and war.

i understand now. thanks for info. goodnight :)
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Mon May 21, 2007 11:13 pm

nuray wrote:
Balci wrote:
nuray wrote:
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K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)


Too bad he doesn't know that Turkish isn't a race, it is a freaking breed like a dalmation and a himilayan kitty cat.

why are you comparing us to animals? saying we are not pure race? there are those that are 100% türk, mix race and other races in türkiye. so since my mother is zaza i am one of a ''...freaking breed...''


My point is that you Turks should not look down on us as a impure race, since you are not that clean yourself.

When it comes to Zaza, I would treat them like brothers, I don't dislike them, And I don't want other people to suffer under oppresion, same opinion goes with all my Kurdish brothers and sisters.

i do not look down on or think kurds are impure. i do not like to be looked down on either. i just am uneasy since i do not know who are ''freedom fighters'' that may blow us up or gun us down... there are bad people in every breed that are greedy, selfish, full of pride and want power...
i agree with you about not wantin ''other poeple to suffer under oppression.''


I changed your statement.

Humans are like dogs, except in American slang we refer to it as dawgs as people that are down with it all (cool, popular, interesting). In fact we often treat each other as dogs.

Dogs exist in races. Breeds are more closer related to each other than races. Humans are one race, so how else would you classify all the distinctiveness within that single race? Sub-races?
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Wed May 30, 2007 2:12 pm

nuray wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Balci wrote:even my cousin (raised in turkey) thinks ataturk was a great guy.


Well their government has a great way of brainwashing people, theres so much media about PKK just to make the people hate kurds lol.

Ataturk saw the turks as a higher race, and everyone who is not a turk is below. He said: The one who is not from turkish race, must be a slave. Thats Pride and is also against Islam

To believe you are worth more than others.

Tell your cousin the truth next time you see him ;)

so you think pkk are not terrorist? i have a kurd friend that thinks they are. do most kurds think they are not terrorist?


terrorist and terrorists... Im not saying theres not a single kurd in PKK who take use of being pkk and kill innocents.

Yes you are right, many kurds think PKK are terrorists, but that it is because of turkish propaganda. Unless we see a real video or on live television where PKK leaders admit attacks, the press could just as well make it all up and it isnt trustworthy, besides who would go against them and tell them its false news?? In most articles, you can see that PKK are only suspected or accused.

PKK denies all the attacks turkey make, so its word vs word? All im saying is, turkish media should get proof before judging other people.
There was an 11 year old in PKK, a girl.
She said "They put my father and mother in prison for nothing, and i had nowhere to live, joining this organisation was my only rescue" etc
you can see interviews of pkk members by writing "pkk guerilla" on youtube

http://www.photius.com/thus/ataturk.html

Only in Dersim, 40 thousand kurds died

I have 2 questions for you

What do you think of ataturk?

Why do you have a wolf on your avatar..??
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PostAuthor: Balci » Wed May 30, 2007 3:43 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:Yes you are right, many kurds think PKK are terrorists, but that it is because of turkish propaganda. Unless we see a real video or on live television where PKK leaders admit attacks, the press could just as well make it all up and it isnt trustworthy, besides who would go against them and tell them its false news?? In most articles, you can see that PKK are only suspected or accused.

PKK denies all the attacks turkey make, so its word vs word? All im saying is, turkish media should get proof before judging other people.
There was an 11 year old in PKK, a girl.
She said "They put my father and mother in prison for nothing, and i had nowhere to live, joining this organisation was my only rescue" etc
you can see interviews of pkk members by writing "pkk guerilla" on youtube

http://www.photius.com/thus/ataturk.html

Only in Dersim, 40 thousand kurds died

I have 2 questions for you

What do you think of ataturk?

Why do you have a wolf on your avatar..??


The only thing that they can accuse us for is civilian death's, but civilians always die in war anyway, no way around it, and this is a open war after all, we're not the only one killing civilians if thats the issue.
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PostAuthor: nuray » Wed May 30, 2007 9:23 pm

k4l someone hacked me. i have changed my avatar back.
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 31, 2007 9:17 pm

nuray wrote:k4l someone hacked me. i have changed my avatar back.


Yup, that white dove is certainly better 8)

what do you think of ataturk? Was he a good respectful man, or a bad man?
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