Aryan Union !

[dyaoko]

today in KBU news , we had a discussion, a Pro Aryan kurd , said he wouldnt like Kurdistan be part from iran...

say no to separatists. kurdistan is part of iran, and shall be forever iranian.

im an iranian kurd, and iran is my life, i dont worship god, i worship IRAN.

and another place he says

i didnt say that i like the mullahs, the mullahs kill more persians than they kill kurds. but iran as a nation is my life and i will give my life to defend it. w/e u poeple can take ur kurdistan and make it an independent state (all of kurdistan in tureky iran etc), and u know what we the rest of iranians are going to do about it, we are going to join you. then were going to have a big nation called kurdistan, stretching from turkey to pakistan border, then we'll have a referenduma and change the name back to iran.
listen if kurds join iran, then the kurds will become the second largest mijority in iran. so the inevitablitiy is that kurds will hold alot of power in iran. Iranians, persians, nowadays are not chauvinistic, so they are very tolerant to kurds and other ethnic groups. if Inshallah democracy prevails, a free iran will have kurds in its government too. this is my opinion. therefor i dont support separatist movements. but not in turkey and iraq

in answer Kardox said

u see, its not so simple as u are mentioning it. I have a better proposal to you. I think we should have one big state called kurdistan, stretching from Adana in north kurdistan to Shari Kurd and beyond in the currently iran and all of the other occupied kurdish Land where ever they are. Then we could talk about some kind of union,maybe like the European union, between Iran kurdistan,Tajikistan,and all the other places that Indo-europeans live.
We will not blindly join any union, especially when we know that our so-called Aryan brothers have soled us out to turks and arabs. How can u even have love for them, I am ashamed my friend.

what do you think?

and I (dyaoko) said :

thats is a good Idea kardox .

first let each ethinic has its own determination in hand, then we cant talk about Union , like EU, Uninions in this world is invietable.
we kurds would like to be in union with Iranians than with Turks or Arabs.

just imagine, a union between Kurdistan -Iran- Tajikestan- Afghanstian - Some parts of Pakistan.
and then Arabs would have their own union

I really think it is a good idea, after we kurds got our land from turks and arabs, then we can think about having a Union with iran.

like we dont have to get visa to travel to Iran, and iranians dont be have to get visa to travel to kurdistan...the same thing can for tajikestan - afghanistan and other Indo European brothers...

in this world the borders are fading...we kurds should have a plan to be a part of a bigg Strong union,
for sure we dont like to be (cant be )a part of EU , ...but cant we think about Aryan Union ?


i know it is just deaming...but it may happen in the next 50 -100 years..

[Diri]

It's gonna take MUCH longer time - the Kurds who would by the year 2050 RECENTLY have been liberated would want to ENJOY their freedom.... And then maybe in three hundred years from now they would like to do this Arian Union...

But I have always been for a greater union between Arian Nations...

the Europeans Union : EU
the Arian Union : AU
Unites states : US

[kardox]

kak dyako, what was the name of the man that got killed by pasdars along with his wife in a flat in tehran ??
He was also a good friend og kurds, and he had similar ideas.
hmm.. the nameee........ ahhh i hate when i forget names, sorush? bahman? hmm.. help me out please.

[dyaoko]

Dr darush forohar?
I think you mean Darush ahd Parvanehe Forohar

[Diri]

Just one thing brother... We couldn't join the Europeans Union... Because technically we are FAR from in Europe... They would NEED us - but where would the line go for them?

No - Biryar I agree with all you said - I don't even wanna THINK about "uniting" with these people... Not before I am dead thank you very much! Or should I say it in a blunt and treathening way - OVER MY DEAD BODY!

But realy... We must wait another 300-400 years before Kurds even WANT to be in a UNION with anyone... And BELIEVE me - if we are going to do a union... We would be doing one with Israel, Assyria and Armenia... Our true neighbours... (I am waiting those "anti this thought" people to make their anti statements )


Come on... If we EVER SINK SO LOW... WOW! We must make a union with those nations who have not taken part in oppressing us... And not to mention - those who have not KILLED US AND DENIED US OUR CULTURAL RIGHTS! LIKE IRAN - IRAQ - SYRIA AND TURKEY - ESPECIALLY TUKEY!

You are smart people... Think it through - how LIKELY is it that Kurds join a union where Turkey, Syria, Iran OR Iraq are in? And what is GREAT about the other three poeple I mentioned - Israelis, Armenians and Assyrians - they are also ANTI- Iran/Turkey/Iraq/Syria... So this is just a match made in heaven...

[Kurdi]

[quote="Biryar]


There is no point to have a union with Iran, this is because Persians say that Iran is a Persian country, and this is what you get from every single Iranian website, just like how Arab say that Iraq is an Arabic country.


To say that withdraw from all these achievements, and go back to the Iranian Mullahs hands, who are massacaring Kurds in Mahabad and Sardasht, is just insane.[/quote]

Hello,
I totally disagree with you Biryar. From all the persians that I have met, non of them believe that Iran is a persian country. As i said before Chauvinism is not welcome in Iran. To iranians Persia means Iran, but to westerners it actaully means the ethnic Persians. This mistake should be fixed, because iranians have misunderstood the meaning.

I also disagree with the title "Aryan Union". In Iran Aryan (arian) basically means Iranian. but in the west it actually referes to the Aryan race in which all white-supermascists crave for, alos remember Hitler. In Iran aryan basically means iranian.
So I suggest an IRANIAN union if there is going to be any. I didnt say we should unite with Indo-europeans. no
I said we should unite with Indo-Iranians. we kurds are of them.
persians, kurds, azeris, afghanis, baluchis, tajiks, talysh, tati, etc...

The mullahs dont represent Iran, they not only attack kurdish culture but they also attack persian culture too, all for ISLAMIC culture.
and besides Turkey would not let go of its kurdistani land easily. Pan-turks have attacked kurds for years. so have pan-arabs. Pan-arabs infact attack everything iranian. Saddam is one of them.

I think you should be carefull in which terms you use. Aryan is not an appropriate term. Im pro Iranian. no aryan.

and I dont think any iranian wants the nation of iran to be divided. never, i dont.

[Diri]

What? Excuse me Mr. "Kurdi"... But you are the LAST person I would call "Kurdi"... What have the Persians and the Ejem done to you? And tell me - where in Eastern Kurdistan are you from??? YOU ARE DEFINETLY FROM THE SOUTHERN PROVINCES - KIRMANSHAH- ILAM - HEMEDAN OR LORESTAN... RIGHT??


Because appearently the Nothern Kurmancî's are more nationalist... In Eastern Kurdistan...

Let's get some facts straight... Iran is a word that has been "developed" from Arian... You can't deny this - and there was a tribe that came with the Medes and Persians to the ARIAN plateu - and that tribe was called "Aria" - and Arian simply means "noble brotherhood"... It was therefor selected as the common term for all the tribes that came from Noth Western India... The name IRAN was only given to the country in the reign of Shah idiot in the early 20 th century...

Now - the ARIAN UNION - which will NEVER happen... Is a faaaaaaar faaaaar way a head - it is at least another 300 years from now... Why? Because Kurdistan has wtill got to go through independence- for all the four parts - and they have to unite - and then they need to TASTE THEIR freedom - and when ALL the Kurds who hated and had felt hate from the oppressors have died - the new generations MAY begin to think of connecting with our neighbours... But I will make sure ALL in my bloodline forever remeber the monstrous and vicious treatment that we have recieved not only from the ALTAI TURKS and SEMETIC ARABS - but also all the BLOOD that has been spilled by our ARIAN "BROTHERS" hands...

And you are WRONG... The Persians also see themselves as the dominant and superior culture... They have no culture... That is the only problem - the only thng that is left of Persian culture is how they engage in social contact... Even their language has been mostly lost... And now they are trying to eat away the Kurdish lifestyle...

Let me tell you WHAT must be done by the Persians for Kurds to be part of Aria (yes... it IS the same as Iran - but they MUST change the name):

1) An official statement where they ask for forgiveness for all the SHIT they have done to Kurds.
2) Give Kurds their NATIONAL rights - a FEDERAL state incorporating all HISTORICAL Kurdish areas... From Makû to Hemedan and Shahrê Kurd to the Persians Gulf (You see??? Even the damn GULF is called PERSIAN and not IRANIAN).
3) The Kurds will be granted full access to all the resources in Kurdistan region and all the other conditions which Bagdad is accepting from Southern Kurdistan Region.


I am from Eastern Kurdistan too - and I do NOT agree with your statements about Kurds and Persians living together in peace... There will be a great WAR before we can sit down with the Persians...

I said we should unite with Indo-Iranians. we kurds are of them.
persians, kurds, azeris, afghanis, baluchis, tajiks, talysh, tati, etc...

Another "fact" that was misplaced... The AZERI are NOT Arian... They are of the TURKIC family... And ALTAI...

And let me be the "shrink" here and analyse your words - why in the WORLD would you put "PERSIANS" before "KURDS" - I sense a un-intentional "inferior mentality" from you... You seem to be one of those the Persians and Ejems have tricked...

And JUST so you know - Iran is comprised of another nation too - the ARABS...

The majority nation in Iran is the Azeri - with about 50% of the population - and then down the scale come the Kurds with 15-20% and the Persians who are ONLY 15 %... then come the Arabs - and then the Lurs etc...
Please- can I ask you - how old are you? I think most grown-ups are aware of the double standards of the Persians...

Look - they say "Persian must be the official language because all our litterature is in Persian" - BULL! What about Kurdish litterature...??? Has a Persian EVER read Cigerxwîn? Ehmedê Xanî? Shemo yê Ereb? etc...

[kardox]

Dr darush forohar?
I think you mean Darush ahd Parvanehe Forohar

yes kak dyaoko, thats him. Actually i lliked the man.

[kardox]

kurdi , I know alot of Persians, i was born in Shiraz and i know the language at least as my kurdish. And i have Iranian friends.

They seem not knowing alot about the kurds, the reason I'm telling this is their stupid statements. You see, they consider only Iranian kurds being iranic and often they use the word, korde turk(for northern kurds) and korde Arab(for southern kurds). Its just like they don't know anything about kurds and kurdistan, they dont know that kurdistan is just one nation, they don't know that the borders are artificial. How can we make a union with people like this ? A union of Asiatic indoeuropean is only possible if we all in the first hand have Independence and only through dialog. Its true that Persian poetry is rich but this is not equal to they shall feel them selfs as some kind of übermensch. I, personally will like to see such a union but only when we have liberated all parts of kurdistan including the part occupied by mullahs/Persians.


thx

[Kurdi]

Hello Diri,

What have the Persians and the Ejem done to you? And tell me -

first of all ejem (AJAM) is an arab word for non-arabs. so if you are saying that im non-arab, then YES and im damn proud of it.

Let's get some facts straight... Iran is a word that has been "developed" from Arian... You can't deny this - and there was a tribe that came with the Medes and Persians to the ARIAN plateu - and that tribe was called "Aria" - and Arian simply means "noble brotherhood"... It was therefor selected as the common term for all the tribes that came from Noth Western India... The name IRAN was only given to the country in the reign of Shah idiot in the early 20 th century...

the name "Iran", has been in use for thousands of years. read shahnameh, and the country is called IRAN. persia was mistakingly used by the west since greeks and persian (hakhameneshi) empire went to war. the name Iran has been in use by the iranian people, the shah just corrected the ignorant europeans for their mistake.

The majority nation in Iran is the Azeri - with about 50% of the population - and then down the scale come the Kurds with 15-20% and the Persians who are ONLY 15 %... then come the Arabs - and then the Lurs etc...

Look - they say "Persian must be the official language because all our litterature is in Persian" - BULL! What about Kurdish litterature...??? Has a Persian EVER read Cigerxwîn? Ehmedê Xanî? Shemo yê Ereb? etc...

about the demographics of Iran, Diri, you have got your information totaly wrong, i suggest you to research it.
53-58% of population is persian or persian related.
20-25% are azeris, (the iranian supreme leader Khamanei is azeri by the way)
10% are kurds
3% arabs, which is mostly Shia.
and the list goes on...
there are more than 80 different ethnics in iran.
Persian is the official language yes, true, because they are the majority, but kurds, and i know this for sure, and other ethnic groups are allowed to speak and learn their own language, even under the mullah dictatorship.

please dont get mad at me, im just stating my opinions. i believe kurds (the ones living in iran) and their land should never part. but i agree on the freedom of kurds from turkey, iraq, syria. about the "eastern kurdistan", it should remain in iran, because it is part of the iranian identity. Iran is a great country,
Im originally from Sanandaj, kurdistan province. it is the richest kurdish city, with the most kurdish intellectuals. intellectuals from iraqi kurdistan, turkey come all the way to iranian kurdistan to study their langauge and speak freely in their tongue.
and dont hate on persians if they dont read or know any kurdish writers or poems. I wonder if you know any, say, baluchi writer or poem. what about some azeri. I dont, so im not going to hate on persians just because some of them might not know anything about kurdish poets and writers.

and kardox, your persian friends are pretty stupid, sorry to say it. but why do you think all persians are like that.

[kardox]

<b>and kardox, your Persian friends are pretty stupid, sorry to say it. but why do you think all Persians are like that</b>

okay, I'm glad that u admit that. but i have had ours of discussions with them , but each time i meet a new fars its the same story.

BTW, why do you want liberation for the kurds of west and north and u don't want it for the eastern kurds, my friend , the way you are mentioning iran makes people think that you are talking about eden ti self. are u sure about that ?? and im glad that kurds from other parts of kurdistan come to Sena and study, thats a good think, and another good think is that there are few kurds like you that are so totally lost. Everytime i talk to a eastern kurds he/she tell me about the hell that "eraniakan" have created for my fellow kurdish brothers and sisters in ur beloved Iran.

and about the statistics and the number of kurds living in iran , only 10 % is totally wrong , i bet there is more than 20 pro cent if they made a fair and just censor. We have the kurds of kurasan , we have the Behtueis around Alborz. we have kurds living in Baluchistan and the misnamed Azerbaijan gharbi, that has totally nothing to do with Azerbaijan. Only another dirty trick to make kurds seem small. so if u only take ostane kurdistan and kermanshah and ilam there will be more than the 10 % you are mentioning. You are dancing to their music my friend, there is a them and an us, you really got to wake up.

best wishes(especially with waking up from u Persian dreams in your Persian garden)

[Diri]

Kurdi - You got me ALL wrong... I don't hate on Persians as you say... I hate on their actions ugainst us Kurds and all the other 9 nations in Iran... And I am sorry - but you are really behind realities if you think that Ejem is an ARAB word...

Ejem is KURDISH - the term I AM using it in is: When a new tribe or people came to Kurdistan - they (the new people) were ignorant of our culture and how we did things in society - and when the Turkish Mongols came - Azeri/Turks/Turkmen we KEPT ON CALLING them EJEM - because they came with NO culture and no basis to build culture upon - they were 100% nomadic and therefor had no sedentary "practise"... Just go and read ANY history book and you will see that it CLEARLY says that the Turks brought with them nothing - except Islam - the Hanafi school... Which is not the same as majority Kurds - Shafeî...

I am sorry - but you must go and study the numbers for yourself -Even the Ejem KNOW that they are the majority - and just HOW likely is it that the grand ayatollah is Ejem when he is as YOU say part of a minority... Look - even our Persian friends over here KNOW that they are a minority in Iran... And what are you to say about that as a Kurd? - Come on - the Persians admit it - go a head... so should you!

I am sure you have been reading Kurdish history as part of the Persian all these years... But have you ever taken a look at where our roots REALY come from? We are in origin a Caucasian people - and descendants of the Hurrians - who also are the forfathers of the Chechen, Dagestani and Georgians... We are very UNIQUE if you take a closer look at our history - but if you put us next to those Persians and FORCE us to be parts of the IRANIAN identity - which is a SILLY thing to do - you will see that the thing we have in common with Persians is that we also speak an IRANIC language... That's all... Oh - and did I forget to mention the two thousand and five hundred years of oppression at their hands??

What? Are we FREE in IRAN??? Then why do they KILL KURDS IN MOHABAD? Are you mad??? How can you even LIKE the Persian governments after all the illtreatment? LET THEM BEG FOR FORGIVENESS! - THEN WE MIGHT CONSIDER JOINING THEIR DUMB UNION...

[dyaoko]

first of all let me tell you , I dont agree with anybody here comepltely !

1-Kurdi you say , Kurds must be Iranian because they have been Iranian and Iranians dont accept division in Iran blah blah....thats not a good reason to keep a Kurds Iranian .Nations change through the history , the only thing that makes a nation is Common Pain and Common Goal.
there are some parts of the kurds who dont call themself kurd anymore.(I am reffering to SOME of the Ezedi Kurds .)
infact those kurds , felt a common goal and common pain , and they made a new Nation for themself


the thing that makes a nation is common goal and common pain ,and this common pain and common goal changes through history.
kurdish pains and kurdish dreams has made kurds to feel they are One nation, and they dont want be under another nation's rule.


2- Kurdi , Azeris are not Aryan at all . they are Turk . I bet you are not from Sna, because if you were from Sna, you would call it Sna, not Sanandaj. Sanandaj is Persian Word (in fact Arabic/Persan) for for Sna Dej.Sna Dej means "The fourt of Sna"


3- Bryar, you say you wouldnt accept Union with Iranians...because they have done enough bad to us..

well we are not talking about next 10 -20 years, we are talking about 200-300 years later. when the children of our childern will decide what to do.

if you mention , our parents always tell us , in their time how difficualt life was...blah blah...but we dont give a shit for how life was for them! we decide for ourself.

I Guess, our children will see a union in their benefit. because a kurdistan country will not last without good friends . and just freinds is not enough actualy we will need ALLIES . and Union.

well DIRI said a good thing, we can make allience with Armenians Israelis and Greek ... so we provide help to each other..
but thats dreaming...israel will never accept such a thing. they love turks too much

another choice for us is to be ally with Persians... well if we found that chodie in our benefit , we will choose that...but if not we wont !
actualy we can call our kurdistan, Iran , and say persians "call their lands Persia' because infact Iran was found by Kurds...we are the owner of it...

well as I say , it is just to kurds themslef ..to waht they wnat to do ...if they dont want to be Iran...nobody should force them ! because we are a nation with common goal and commoon pain ! and will fight for our dreams and goals.


To Kurdi, Persian Nationalism is so atttractive, do yo uknow why? because it is forbiden in Islamic Iran to talk about those htings...
in Iran nobody talks about Cyrus (Korush) ...and you know every thing that been forbiden by "dictators" becomes Popular and Attractive...

thats why yuo are interested in persioan nationlism that much
i must conffess one day I myself was mroe persian than Persians ...

but today I see what are my pains !
have you ever heared the theory of Hajarian ? (the thoerisian of the reform movement)the thoery of "making a nation"

in his theory is "we should make nations in Iran = like kurds arabs balochs..." to be proud of PErsian nationalism,....and feel shame on their own culture...

you know they make Comedy programs about iranian cultures...
well if you are in Sna, you can see the "Pavarchin" TV show , that they show every night at kurdistan regionnal TV...

it that TV show they make fun out of " lors and kruds" and make fun out of their dance and their language....

and you know that makes kurds like me and you to think "oh how retared we are" ... I myself know many kurds in iran , who make their children speak Farsi...because they been made to belive "kurds are retared"


Kurdi , if you are kurd, just belive me , they are making you a part of their nation ! as their theorisan wants...

infact they want you , to hate Arabs ,because 1400 years ago the yhave attacked Persian Empire...and by that hating arabs,
and if you hve common goal and commoon pain with Persians (in this case your pain is hating arabs and your goal is having Ancient Iran Empire) then you wil be one of their nation..

but "Kurdi", we kurds pain and goal is something else...we have our own pain and goal..
our historic langauge , is being delted form the wordl....kurdish lanageu is really in danger...thousands of the kurdish words been faded forever...
handreds of thousands of the kurds been killed ...
kurdish regions always beeen poorest part ....(but when they get it into their own hand they make it heavon...look at iraqi kurdistan ...they have twice more university than Iranian kurdistan)


by the way , wasnt anyother name that you can choose ? whats "Kurdi" it has no meaning in kurdish langauge... Kurdi just means kurdish langauge...are you Mr Kurdish langauge? couldnt you choose a better name?

[Delal]

It is truly necessary to comment on his choice of user names?