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Apoist Apologizes in the name of Kurds for the Armenian Genocide

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This communist Apoist Ahmet Türk Apologizes in the name of Kurds for the Armenian Genocide. This Apoists dont even fight for Kurdistan and want to Apologize in the name of Kurds.

This Genocide was planed and done by the Turkish government (Ottoman Empire). At that time, Kurds had no status, no state, no government and no party. Just some Kurdish tribes participated at this genocide and many of them were forced to help the Turks, because they lived in the same areas like the armenians. Even Germany helped the Turks more as Kurds did it, they supported Turkey with money, weapons and logistical support. But even they must not apologize, because it was planned and done by the Turkish government, only they are guilty.

But now this Apoist Ahmet Türk said that Kurds are guilty like the Turkish government because of the actions of some Kurdish individuals. Nobody can blame a people for something, just governments and states can be blamed. And the government which planed and done it was the Turkish government. But the Apoists blame the Kurdish people and they called our grandparents barbarian killers.

Why they dont demand as a so called "Kurdish party" that assyrians should apologize for their role in the Kurdish Genocide in south Kurdistan during the Anfal campaign of the Baath Regime. Because the Assyrians were in the same situation like the Kurds in 1915, they had no status, no state and no government, but many officials of the Baath party during the Anfal campaign were Assyrians and more were soldiers. So if Kurds are guilty (what they are not) the Assyrians are also guilty.

But communists are just against the own people. The PKK just fight for Apoisim and for confederalism in Turkey and the middel east, which is officially a failed system and in real a failed Communist dictatorship and they let the Kurdish Guerrillas fight and die for that.

Cewlik wrote:Apoist Apologizes in the name of Kurds for the Armenian Genocide

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This communist Apoist Ahmet Türk Apologizes in the name of Kurds for the Armenian Genocide. This Apoists dont even fight for Kurdistan and want to Apologize in the name of Kurds.

Cewlik please be kind to the poor old man. It is obvious that he is suffering some form of MADNESS bought on by his old age.

Cewlik wrote:This Genocide was planed and done by the Turkish government (Ottoman Empire). At that time, Kurds had no status, no state, no government and no party. Just some Kurdish tribes participated at this genocide and many of them were forced to help the Turks, because they lived in the same areas like the armenians. Even Germany helped the Turks more as Kurds did it, they supported Turkey with money, weapons and logistical support. But even they must not apologize, because it was planned and done by the Turkish government, only they are guilty.

The Kurds were just an unfortunate group of people who were caught up in Turkey's fanatical plan to destroy every non Turk it could. The Kurds were used by Turkey and took no part in planning the campaign of destruction. For Kurds to apologise is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. It bring shame to all Kurds and makes them look guilty of a crime they did not commit.

Cewlik wrote:But now this Apoist Ahmet Türk said that Kurds are guilty like the Turkish government because of the actions of some Kurdish individuals. Nobody can blame a people for something, just governments and states can be blamed. And the government which planed and done it was the Turkish government. But the Apoists blame the Kurdish people and they called our grandparents barbarian killers.

This crazy old man has NO right to speak for the entire Kurdish nation. If he wants someone to apologise for something he should demand the Turkish government apologies for killing Kurds

Cewlik wrote:Why they dont demand as a so called "Kurdish party" that assyrians should apologize for their role in the Kurdish Genocide in south Kurdistan during the Anfal campaign of the Baath Regime. Because the Assyrians were in the same situation like the Kurds in 1915, they had no status, no state and no government, but many officials of the Baath party during the Anfal campaign were Assyrians and more were soldiers. So if Kurds are guilty (what they are not) the Assyrians are also guilty.

But communists are just against the own people. The PKK just fight for Apoisim and for confederalism in Turkey and the middel east, which is officially a failed system and in real a failed Communist dictatorship and they let the Kurdish Guerrillas fight and die for that.

I failed to understand here .

I see nothing wrong with offering an apology to the Armenian for the participation of some Kurds in the Armenian genocide . Some Kurdish tribes did participate under Turkish command and it is very well documented . As far as I know no Kurdish leader have denied it and it is labelled as a dark page in our history .

If Ahmed turk indeed apologized on behalf on Kurds then I'm proud of him , because it takes real courage to do that . Whether he is a communist or Apoist or facist is completely irrelevant here .

It certainly takes two to tango and the Armenian indeed committed many atrocities towards Kurds too , but that is in the past and I think an apology by Ahmed turk is a move in the right direction . Keep in mind that they lost the war and millions of Armenian were killed and displaced .

Anthea wrote:Cewlik please be kind to the poor old man. It is obvious that he is suffering some form of MADNESS bought on by his old age.

This crazy old man has NO right to speak for the entire Kurdish nation. If he wants someone to apologise for something he should demand the Turkish government apologies for killing Kurds

Why so much disrespect and all this personal attacks towards a Kurdish leader ? .

That is a good and wise political move. In this case it is not about what Kurds did yesterday. It is about today. This move strengthens Kurdish position in the West against Turkey a lot.

Londoner wrote:This move strengthens Kurdish position in the West against Turkey a lot.

No they just want to represent the Kurdish as guilty in that genocide.

talsor wrote:As far as I know no Kurdish leader have denied it.

Yes nobody denies that a genocide happened, but it is not about that, it is about that he apologizes in the name of Kurds and that he see the Kurds a guilty, he even call our grandparents as killers. But Kurds had no status at that time and nobody can blame a people for something. It was planned and done by the turkish government and only they are guilty.

Also many non Germans helped germany to kill Jews, especially in Eastern Europe like Ukrainians and Romanians, but nobody see them as guilty, because it was planed and done by the german government.

But if everybody can see the Kurds as guilty (what they are not), I expect a apology from Asssyrians in the name of assyrian people for their participation in the Kurdish genocide.

talsor wrote:Why so much disrespect and all this personal attacks towards a Kurdish leader ? .

He is a VERY minor political figure and does NOT and should NOT give himself pretend to represent the entire Kurdish nation. Many times I have seen minor politicians let power go to their heads and their egos get the better of them.

Ahmet Türk was once a powerful member of the now defunct DTP. Granted he has done a lot for Kurds in the past. Perhaps he just misses the power he once held. Sometimes older people do suffer from mental health problems and develop Altzhimers and/or Delusions of Grandeur. In Ahmet Türk's case it could be partly due to the excessive amount of security that surrounds him. He is probably one of the most highly protected Kurdish political figures in NK.

We all know that there was Kurdish involvement but as you yourself rightly state they were under TURKISH COMMAND and as such are NOT responsible.

Personally, I am getting tired of Kurds bowing down to other nations. The BDP begging for scraps from Turkey and totally ignoring all the terrible things Turkey has done. Now a Kurd apologises for something else that Turkey did, because it was Turkey that used Kurds to kill other people. It should make Kurds even more determined to break free from Turkey

Cewlik wrote:No they just want to represent the Kurdish as guilty in that genocide.

Kurds as a nation are not responsible for the Armenian genocide and there is no case in the international court against them . Individuals and certain kurdish tribes are certainly guilty of participating in the genocide and he is referring to them .It only makes sense to apologize on behalf of kurdish nation for those murders .

Cewlik wrote:Yes nobody denies that a genocide happened, but it is not about that, it is about that he apologizes in the name of Kurds and that he see the Kurds a guilty, he even call our grandparents as killers. But Kurds had no status at that time and nobody can blame a people for something. It was planned and done by the turkish government and only they are guilty.

Kak Cewlik , you are smarter than that , but your dislike to BDP (to put it mildly )sometimes blinds you from seeing/saying the truth . I do not want to get to the details of kurdish participation , because it only makes the matter worst ,but as a human beings and as good people and as good Muslims( if you wish ), I think an apology is the least we can do .
by the way the actual details interview is yet to be confirmed and in most cases issues like this is blown out of proportion.

Cewlik wrote:Also many non Germans helped germany to kill Jews, especially in Eastern Europe like Ukrainians and Romanians, but nobody see them as guilty, because it was planed and done by the german government.

Your statement is absolutely false legally , morally and religiously . The "I was just following orders" defense does not shield soldiers from criminal culpability and the Nuremberg trials (if you are familiar) rejected that excuse because the responsibility runs to the individual even when the individual was acting on orders from their superiors . I will not get into debate regarding morality and religion here , but as a dedicated muslim that you are , I will remind you what Prophet mohamd said .


عن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه قال : سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : ( من رأى منكم منكرا فليغيره بيده ، فإن لم يستطع فبلسانه ، فإن لم يستطع فبقلبه ، وذلك أضعف الإيمان ) رواه مسلم .

Cewlik wrote:But if everybody can see the Kurds as guilty (what they are not), I expect a apology from Asssyrians in the name of assyrian people for their participation in the Kurdish genocide.

I could not agree more .

No one here can deny that we Kurds took part in this genocide. Why would we want to deny that?

Maybe you guys want to be like turks who deny everything? No, we kurds are better than that.

FeyliKurd wrote:No one here can deny that we Kurds took part in this genocide. Why would we want to deny that?

Maybe you guys want to be like turks who deny everything? No, we kurds are better than that.

Nobody could deny what took place. We do not know all the exact details because history is normally written down by those who win.

Firstly, I do not personally believe that Kurds owe anyone an apology especially now when Kurds need to show themselves as a strong and united people.

Secondly, I do not personally believe that Ahmet Türk has any right to speak on behalf of the entire Kurdish nation.

Ahmet Türk, when I had the pleasure of meeting him, came across as being a very charming old man who in the past has done a lot for Kurds. He commands a great deal of respect for all that he has done in the past. He once had political standing and now he is just a minor political figure and has NO RIGHT to speak on behalf of Kurds.

Well said Kak Talsor.

What do you mean apocis is not fighting for kurdistan. Who is the ones that are defending rojava right now, you ore apocis? And the man that you are insulting with you stupid comment has been in the notorious jail in Amed because of kurdistan. and he is apologizing for the part that the kurds had in the genocide that was not only against the armenians but also Assyrian, kurds and etc.. We have to tell the truth and accept the truth. wether we like it ore not we will have to share many cities in Kurdistan with assyrians and other ethnicities.

HZKurdi wrote:Well said Kak Talsor.

supas keke heja .

Anthea wrote:Nobody could deny what took place. We do not know all the exact details because history is normally written down by those who win.

Firstly, I do not personally believe that Kurds owe anyone an apology especially now when Kurds need to show themselves as a strong and united people.

Secondly, I do not personally believe that Ahmet Türk has any right to speak on behalf of the entire Kurdish nation.

Ahmet Türk, when I had the pleasure of meeting him, came across as being a very charming old man who in the past has done a lot for Kurds. He commands a great deal of respect for all that he has done in the past. He once had political standing and now he is just a minor political figure and has NO RIGHT to speak on behalf of Kurds.

You described Ahmed turk as "crazy old man " or "develop Altzhimers" or " Delusions of Grandeur" or "suffering from madness" . Someone could easily reply to these insults with a choice of words that would make you sink in your chair . We are not here to trade insults with one another are we ?

Simply putting BDP aside like some member are calling for directly and indirectly is laughable because those you call "Minor Political Figure " have more followers that any other Kurdish politicians .

I'm certainly like some other members disappointed with BDP's approach towards the Kurdish question and I have criticized them heavily in this forum , but that does not mean that we do not support them , It does not mean that we should start insulting them . A change in direction is definitely needed in the North but that my dear is not going to happen with insults .

talsor wrote:

Anthea wrote:Nobody could deny what took place. We do not know all the exact details because history is normally written down by those who win.

Firstly, I do not personally believe that Kurds owe anyone an apology especially now when Kurds need to show themselves as a strong and united people.

Secondly, I do not personally believe that Ahmet Türk has any right to speak on behalf of the entire Kurdish nation.

Ahmet Türk, when I had the pleasure of meeting him, came across as being a very charming old man who in the past has done a lot for Kurds. He commands a great deal of respect for all that he has done in the past. He once had political standing and now he is just a minor political figure and has NO RIGHT to speak on behalf of Kurds.

You described Ahmed turk as "crazy old man " or "develop Altzhimers" or " Delusions of Grandeur" or "suffering from madness" . Someone could easily reply to these insults with a choice of words that would make you sink in your chair . We are not here to trade insults with one another are we ?

Simply putting BDP aside like some member are calling for directly and indirectly is laughable because those you call "Minor Political Figure " have more followers that any other Kurdish politicians .

I'm certainly like some other members disappointed with BDP's approach towards the Kurdish question and I have criticized them heavily in this forum , but that does not mean that we do not support them , It does not mean that we should start insulting them . A change in direction is definitely needed in the North but that my dear is not going to happen with insults .

Also Cewlik is writing that these so called "apocis" do not "fight for Kurdistan", only for Öcalan. In other words, he actually believes that the whole Kurdish struggle in Northern Kurdistan is just a big joke. And Anthea has even in another thread questioned if the Kurds in Northern Kurdistan really want freedom. As if they'd prefer to be slaves of Turkey...

These two members are constantly spreading anti-Kurdish propaganda all over this forum. Really sad.