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[bejoo]

BC2000

ok chill out brother ... you are very disturbed for some reason ... it is ok to be with Goran , nothing is wrong wih that as long as you dont cross the red lines ...

you are very angry person .. you should reply with your better art , and be sport about it ..

now we get it from you , us Kurds are backword .. don't know anything . Barzani and Talabai can not do for Kurdistan what you can do... and maybe you would suggest next time .. for us to vote for you .. when you apply for their job ... I would not be suprised .. hummmmm what else

I think Kurdistan can't function without your thoughts and opinion ... by the way do you approve of any Kurdish leader ..?? I started to question if you a true Kurd

I bet you never fired a bullet in your life while putting the real brave Peshmaga down ... for me I have nothing to discuss with you , you talk like Arabs and Turks

this is not your place my friend , there are many others Kurds hater forum where you find many ears for your very clever opinion as yours .
no need for me to reply back to you in the future
Thank you ...

[BC2000]

Ok, brother. This will be my last post in this thread. Since you are twisting my words.

it is ok to be with Goran , nothing is wrong wih that as long as you dont cross the red lines ...


I'm not with Goran, and I never said it's something wrong with Goran. I just don't happen to be a fan of them. Period.

you are very angry person .. you should reply with your better art , and be sport about it ..

No I'm not. Plus you need to study english more, I can barely understand you.

now we get it from you , us Kurds are backword .. don't know anything . Barzani and Talabai can not do for Kurdistan what you can do... and maybe you would suggest next time .. for us to vote for you .. when you apply for their job ... I would not be suprised .. hummmmm what else

What the hell are you talking about? Are you using somekind of a translation tool or something? Because your english doesn't seem to be the best and it seems like you're misunderstanding me? You kurds? I'm a kurd too.

I think Kurdistan can't function without your thoughts and opinion ... by the way do you approve of any Kurdish leader ..?? I started to question if you a true Kurd

What? So I can't be a true Kurd because I don't accept that we have two corrupt Jokers that is running our country down the drain?

I bet you never fired a bullet in your life while putting the real brave Peshmaga down ... for me I have nothing to discuss with you , you talk like Arabs and Turks

I bet you slept good during english classes in school, because I just said that my mom and dad used to be peshmergas! And I am more Kurdish than you will ever be my friend. I have already done more for Kurdistan than you will ever do during your life time. I don't like to blow my own horn, but I have done charity work, raised money and much more, for Kurdistan. You on the other hand, does "posters" with Jalal Talabani (a man who openly doesn't support the Kurdish cause), with some tacky hippie colours and an american bald eagle! And you have the audacity to tell me I'm not Kurdish? Comparing me to an Arab and Turk?

this is not your place my friend , there are many others Kurds hater forum where you find many ears for your very clever opinion as yours .
no need for me to reply back to you in the future

Oh don't worry, I won't be arguing with you no more. I didn't want to make it personal, but of course, someone who can't take constructive criticism, does not have any other way to go. So find a translation tool or something and translate what I just said. You are just a product of your inveroment, I can't really be upset with you because of that. But I'm sorry, you are unfortunatly too young to understand what's going on.

Keep doing your tacky art work, keep doing your "high quality" posters and I hope you'll get a lot of respons on your Facebook page from other teenagers. Inshallah you'll be one of our greatest Kurdish artists one day.

Do not bother to write me back on anything I just wrote, it will just be a waste of your time, because I will not reply.

Love!

[Kulka]

kak BC,

whats the point to criticise someones english? its not his first, mother language, while kurdish should be yours, if you are Kurd - but you still cant read sorani, but maybe you are kurmandji, its ok, but as you see i didnt make any comments about your knowledge of native language. by the way - you make mistakes in english as well, like all of us.

i have big respect for your parents, i respect you - you express your opinion here, no problem - for you these pics are stupid, for some of us they represent what we love and our deepest feelings. and even if they are teenagers-like - teenegers have also the right to express themselves - the way they like and can do.
and again - by the way - how can you be sure if the girl on the pic is not kurdish? coz she has "american features"? you have african features, as you let us know - so what? should we not consider you as a Kurd?

[bejoo]

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[BC2000]

Kulka: The reason why I criticized his english was because he obviously didn't understand everything I was saying and thus a confusion occured. If he does not fully understand me, then him and I can't have a discussion. I wasn't bashing on him for fun, it just became clear to me (after explaining two times that I'm not a Goran supporter) that this guy's english is not that good. That's not me being mean, that's me making an observation.

I was 10 months old when I moved to Sweden from Slemani. Except for my parents I did not have anyone to talk Kurdish with. None the less to write Kurdish with/for. All my other cousins lived about 6 hours away from us. I grew up with mostly latinos (thus the fact that I can speak spanish too). Verbally my Kurdish is not that bad. I understand pretty much all dialects. Written, I can barely read it. And you gotta remember, the reason I can barely read it is because my dad (being busy as he was) took some time now and then to teach me. And of course I do mistakes in english (that's a matter of me writing too fast, rather than flaws in my knowledge of it).

I never said teenagers (or anyone else for that matter) can't express them self. He asked for some criticism, I gave him very constructive criticism. I never said the girl on the picture wasn't Kurdish. I said she has "Native American" features. Hindi'i soor as it's called in Kurdish .

You're twisting my words, Kulka.


Love

[Kulka]

"themselves", not "them self" - i think its not the matter of fast writing, but 'flaw in your knowledge". about kurdish language - parents are not something that you can describe as "only". if my parents language was kurdish, i could spend all my life in any place in the world and i will still speak, write and read perfect in my parents language. see - 3 years ago i have no idea that something like "sorani" exists. My IQ is very low as i suppose, but it tooks me two days to learn sorani script (so called "arabic" - i hate that name), so the only one matter is - someones will. You think i have teachers? you think i have books? anything for learning? yes, i have kurdish people around me, but it doesnt help that much as seems to - maybe if you are kid, small kid, not at that age as i am , while i currently speak two languages and i have never had contact with that kind of languag like sorani. i am writing that not to fight with you - its the last thing i would like to do, as you are Kurd. I am only very upset, coz for me seems like you are talking more polite with people from "outside", than with your own people (i mean your discussion with mamo - that i was very proud of your way of talking with him). i dont know how about kak bejoo, but me, reading your posts here, have the feeling like you are laughing at us, how stupid and primitive we are to injoy these pics. and it has nothing to do with politcs.
there are pisc with tiger or lion and kurdish flag - and you can as well say - what these animals have to do with kurdistan, if they even dont live on that part of the earth. of course - nothing. but when i see kurdish flag next to the "proud" looking lion (the king of his part of world) - my heart is smiling, coz i want to see kurdistan strong like a lion (at least like a lion). so as you see, we can analize any pic like that, but whats the aim?
whatever - you are still my beloved brother and i am ready to put my life in risk for you.

kulka

[BC2000]

I never claimed I was perfect or flawless in my english. English is not my mothertounge. So if I write fast, yeah I will do miswritings like "them selfs" instead of "themselves". Knifes, knives etc. But point was not me saying that his spelling is bad. It was for me.... uh! You know what? Whatever!

It is something you can describe as "only". As patriotic my dad is, he always said it's important for me to know Swedish and English. He said that Kurdish will always be there (and he's right, it has always been there. I have never forgotten about it), but right now we live in Sweden and you have to focus on Swedish and English. The suburb I grew up in Sweden, had no kurds living there. My moms friends were all eastern europeans and latinos. I grew up with latinos. My dad's closests friends were people from Finland, Russia and Indians. And we didn't get any Kurdish channels until I was like 18 years old. And to be honest, I don't really watch Kurdish TV that much. I speak five other languages besided Kurdish. So your point is what? I'm not really Kurdish? I can't be happy to meet a fellow Jewish person (like Mamo) or speak some Spanish with another member (Sus). It's non-Kurdish of me to criticize our corrupt leaders but be nice to "begana" people that seeks them self to our forum? Just so you know, I'm not narrow minded in anyway. I don't hang around with other Kurds, just because they are Kurds. I have Kurdish friends in Sweden, but the reason we are friends is because we have something else, beyond our Kurdish background, in common. Just because you're from the same country as someone does not guarantee you that you will have anything in common.

So pictures with Talabani, Barzani and a fist that says "PKK" is non-political according to you? Wow...

Kulka. I'm going to sound judgemental right now, but since you're not born Kurdish, you have this urge to over compensate your "Kurdishness". Which I don't find as a bad thing. But you have to understand that not everything about Kurdistan is all good just because you happened to love it so much. There's a billion things that can be better with Kurdistan and as a Kurd it's my democratic right to speak about those things that is holding us back.

As Voltaire said...

It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

[Kulka]

believe me - i dont consider EVERYTHING which is kurdish as good. PKK - for me - i dont connect it with politic, i connect it with the word NO to what turkya doing to out people, a kind of symbol - in general, not in political way. like Halabja is a symbol of all kurdish towns and villiges that suffered during anfal.
about the language... if you want to kill the nation - dont kill their people, simply take off their language and culture out of them. maybe english is the most important language of the world - but sorry, not for me. i dont blame you for knowing or not your native language - its your choice.

i was not born as kurdish - BUT I WILL DIE AS KURDISH - and thats more important for me.

take care.

[ideas]

Whats going on here? guys relax...

In regards to PKK, while I would never aprove of terrorism, you need to be a kurd in turkey and go through the pain yourself, violence is not the way to go, however you have to be violent to beat violent, I still don't support PKK's terrorists acts, but other then that..

In regards to guran, they just say what the kurdish youth want to hear in a time that is difficult for us kurds, if they win.. what will they do? declare a kurdish state? THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR US, right now our main fucos is kirkuk.. if we declare a kurdish state right now, we don't have the economy to back it up for first, and also turkey will most likely invade us, so we need to put that on a hold for now..

In regards to PUK and PDK, these guys have allways stood by our side and have fought for our name.. while there is curroption among them, I don't believe its on a very big scale.. and it'll get better soon, they have done many stupid things in the past, but don't just point at the negatives please.

Our main golad right now as I said before, is to have a united front in baghdad, and keep pushing for kirkuk.

So please guys relax, and its not nice to comment on someone's english

[Kulka]

dont worry brother - nothing is going on here. and this discussion is no my business any longer - i love what i love and i dont care what other people think about it. anyway - there is no discussion if kak BC see only himself as the only one who is right. for example - he blame other of twisting his words while HE is doing exactly that. i never said he is not kurd, in contary - i said HE IS kurd (as you can read in my post) - but his answer was: "so your point is what? I'm not really kurdish?" - where i said that or anything similiar to that, kak BC? Show my in my posts. this is twisting the words. kateky xosh kaka....

[BC2000]

Kulka: Well obviously we have nothing to talk about then. I never said that you don't consider me to be Kurdish. I ASKED you. Thus it's not a statement. I wanted to clear it out if that was really what you thought. If that wasn't the case, why are you getting so upset? Did I say, "Why are you saying that I'm not really Kurdish?!" Or did I say "So your point is what? I'm not really Kurdish?". I understand that things can get misunderstod easily on the Internet since you can't here the tone of someones voice and you can't see certain facial expressions. But that was not a statement, but a question.

Ok, you already established you sympathize with PKK in a non-political way (however that is possible) instead of you just saying that you sympathize with our brothers and sisters in the Northern part. Don't compare Halabja (a village) to a political para-militaric group like PKK. It's not even like comparing apples to oranges. It's like comparing an apple to a door knob.

Sorani might not be my forte, but you know what? Compared to you and Bejoo, I atleast know Kurdish history in a very objective way. And I teach and discuss it (even though I get resistance from this forum) to everyone who has an open mind. I don't bend the truth, I don't add my own flavour to it, I just simply re tell it as it is. Obviously you're chose to exclude your self from that group, that's fine to me. I can't blame you for being mesmirized by all this over whelming Kurdishness. But I'm sorry, you're not enlighted enough when it comes to what's going on in Kurdistan on a political level.

I'm putting my dot here on this matter too. I have nothing further to discuss regarding these posters and art works. I never (read all my posts again) said that my opinions reflects anyone else except for my own. I was being constructive, never cursed, I never took personal jabbs (in forms of Bejoo questioning my Kurdayati and comparing me to Turks and Arabs!) until ya guys started with it. I am fully cool to agree to disagree. You're entitled to it, just as much as I am entitled to it. You can quote my own words if you wish. But for any Kurd to be compared to a Arabs and Turks and having his/her Kurdayati questioned, just because that person didn't think another Kurdish persons "posters" was good or nice, that's just incredibly ignorant and very insulting. What is this? An American forum? Where you can't say anything without being accused of being "non-patriotic". I gave the guy constructive guidelines in how he can attract more people, by doing more "neutral art". He got offended of course, because I didn't like his art. Which is very hilarious, because I've been getting private messages from a lot of people on RBK saying that they support my case in this thread and that they didn't find Bejoo's "artwork" amusing due to the same reasons as I did. But I've kindly asked them not get involved because I can hold my own and discuss this on a mature level.

But to be frank, I feel that I'm loosing my cool. And that's the last thing I wanna do right now. And Bejoo, never ask someone for good and bad criticism again unless you're not ready to take it. Keep doing what you're doing, if you're ready to take some feedback from people, I think you can come far. You can only get better from here. Kulka, I have nothing but love for you too. If you died tomorrow, you have died as a Kurd in my eyes.


Love!

[ideas]

Everyone just calm down lol .

Instead of talking about halabja, or issues in kurdistan you are argueeing about art work, haha!

Comeon now, we're all adults here..

[Kulka]

first and the last thing to kak BC - i didnt compare halabja to PKK. i only said that one is a symbol of that and the other is symbol of this. do you see the difference?
yes you discuss in very mature way. very sophisticated mature way. good bye.

[Kulka]

by putting aside this talking - thank you kak BC for the last words of your post and from me - if someone will want to kill you - i am still ready to give my life in risk to protect you.

[bejoo]

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