Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[zurderer]

But there are ignorant people who tell the Zaza that "you are not Kurds"... Which in my oppinion, is the greatest reason why there are Zaza nationalists...

Infact, It is totally different, mostly zazas say that they are different. Most of turks have no idea about who are zazas. For them everyone at east is kurd.(even turks.) They cannot differentiate eastern people.

[Diri]

But there are ignorant people who tell the Zaza that "you are not Kurds"... Which in my oppinion, is the greatest reason why there are Zaza nationalists...

Infact, It is totally different, mostly zazas say that they are different. Most of turks have no idea about who are zazas. For them everyone at east is kurd.(even turks.) They cannot differentiate eastern people.

No... I disagree...

They do know the difference between Kurds and Turks... And they try to put a difference between Zazas and other Kurds...

So don't try to play innocent... Turkey is trying very hard to split Kurds - by religion, tribes, dialect etc... You try in every way to say: "you are not the same" - but so far, you have failed...

[Serd]

Kekê Rûbar...


That's your oppinion... You can't expect everybody to think the same... But let me just make one thing clear: when I spoke of the "Alevi/Zaza" - I meant to speak of those who wish to separate... And those are not the Sunni Zaza... They are almost entirely and only Alevi Zaza...

Anyway...

I personally will always consider all of them as Kurds... And I prefere to call ALL of them for Kirmanckî... Not just the ones in Dersîm... But there are ignorant people who tell the Zaza that "you are not Kurds"... Which in my oppinion, is the greatest reason why there are Zaza nationalists...

My point is simple: let everybody be what they wanna be... But Kurds should be inclusive... Not exclusive...

I guess you think that we are your ship flock. You define who we are and you tell what we are, and then you think that we will follow you. Of course, Zazas are your servant . Look at me pal, we are not stupid. Call us as whatever you want and see us as whatever you want, I don't really care. You guys are not the only one doing that by the way. Anyway, we, Zazas, will decide what we do, and what our future will be according to our best cultural and economic interest. Whatever you guys think here doesn't bind us and as I wrote to this forum before, 80% of what you guys say is crap anyway.

But there are ignorant people who tell the Zaza that "you are not Kurds"

And, you could not be funnier than this. You just sound like Turkish chauvinists. Actually, there is no difference between you and them.

[Serd]

But there are ignorant people who tell the Zaza that "you are not Kurds"... Which in my oppinion, is the greatest reason why there are Zaza nationalists...

Infact, It is totally different, mostly zazas say that they are different. Most of turks have no idea about who are zazas. For them everyone at east is kurd.(even turks.) They cannot differentiate eastern people.

No... I disagree...

They do know the difference between Kurds and Turks... And they try to put a difference between Zazas and other Kurds...

So don't try to play innocent... Turkey is trying very hard to split Kurds - by religion, tribes, dialect etc... You try in every way to say: "you are not the same" - but so far, you have failed...

On the other hand, Turks say foreigners are trying to divide Turkey into small ethnic groups to make them weak. It is the same kind of thinking. By the way, lot's of Zaza forums are blocked in Turkey by the Turkish government. Great support to us from Turkey.

One more thing, Turkey cannot split Kurds, because Kurds are Kurds. If you are talking about dividing Kurds and Zazas, how can they split something that has never been one? If you think that we are your tribe , I would like to remind you that Persians thinks Kurds are one of their tribes.

[HeminKurdistani]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

[Parsi]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Well it depends on which Persians you speak of. Persian nationalists will say that while Iranian nationalists won't...but you are right, Iran is a multi-ethnic nation.

I still believe Zaza culture is VERY close to Kurdish. Of course I'm not Zaza so I can't speak for them...

[HeminKurdistani]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Well it depends on which Persians you speak of. Persian nationalists will say that while Iranian nationalists won't...but you are right, Iran is a multi-ethnic nation.

I still believe Zaza culture is VERY close to Kurdish. Of course I'm not Zaza so I can't speak for them...

I've never seen anyone among fars people who says Kurds are Farsi, exept in politics. But the case of Kurmanjs and Zaza minority is different. they both consider themselves as Kurds. (exept in politics that some turkicized ones may say otherwise.)

[Serd]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Respect is mutual. I don’t see any respect towards my identity here. Anyway, there is nothing that I did wrong. I am just telling you what some of my Persian friends told me. They specifically used the word “tribe”. Well, you are talking the same way to us. So I don’t really think anybody owes you any apologize.

What history and what culture you are talking about? We also have the same history with Armenians and other Anatolian ethnic groups, including Turks, for thousands of years. And yes, we borrowed many cultural aspects of Anatolian, Aryan and Middle Eastern people. Our food is, by and large, the same: Gyro, sis kebab, kofte, dolma, lahmacun… The cloths you guys wear in Iran and Iraq is no way close to us. I have never seen people in my hometown wearing those cloths. Just name five things that are common only between you and us, excluding Persians, Turks, and Arabs. Five is very minuscule for people living side by side for two millenniums.

Nation states are founded on one language. In one nation state, other languages are also spoken, but they are given no respect and treated like trash. So don’t sell us your same history/culture crab. We are not sheep flocks or children that you can direct. The bottom line is that: we are going to decide our future and shape our identity, not others.

[Serd]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Well it depends on which Persians you speak of. Persian nationalists will say that while Iranian nationalists won't...but you are right, Iran is a multi-ethnic nation.

I still believe Zaza culture is VERY close to Kurdish. Of course I'm not Zaza so I can't speak for them...

I've never seen anyone among fars people who says Kurds are Farsi, exept in politics. But the case of Kurmanjs and Zaza minority is different. they both consider themselves as Kurds. (exept in politics that some turkicized ones may say otherwise.)

This is just a classic cheap tactic that I always encounter. Whenever you guys cannot find answers to reply, you guys just say they are agents of Turkish government or they are Turkified. The Zaza nationalist movement has initiated by Zazas who live outside Turkey and who were exiled by the Turkish government. Still most of Zaza writers and musicians who support the movement are outside of Turkey. What you said above is all trash and nothing else.

[HeminKurdistani]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Respect is mutual. I don’t see any respect towards my identity here. Anyway, there is nothing that I did wrong. I am just telling you what some of my Persian friends told me. They specifically used the word “tribe”. Well, you are talking the same way to us. So I don’t really think anybody owes you any apologize.

What history and what culture you are talking about? We also have the same history with Armenians and other Anatolian ethnic groups, including Turks, for thousands of years. And yes, we borrowed many cultural aspects of Anatolian, Aryan and Middle Eastern people. Our food is, by and large, the same: Gyro, sis kebab, kofte, dolma, lahmacun… The cloths you guys wear in Iran and Iraq is no way close to us. I have never seen people in my hometown wearing those cloths. Just name five things that are common only between you and us, excluding Persians, Turks, and Arabs. Five is very minuscule for people living side by side for two millenniums.

Nation states are founded on one language. In one nation state, other languages are also spoken, but they are given no respect and treated like trash. So don’t sell us your same history/culture crab. We are not sheep flocks or children that you can direct. The bottom line is that: we are going to decide our future and shape our identity, not others.

Look at this argument, 50% of words this turk uses is ''crap'', trash''
really confused.

There is a Kurdish saying which says: Kurdin her be cehennem, kurd nin her be cehennem

Who cares about zaza tribes? And I ask this to Diri. Why should u always be thinking about vanished tribes of middle east? WHy u dont ignore them as the world has done so?

[HeminKurdistani]

Plz show a little respect to Kurdish people. Persians never say Kurds are a branch of persians, because Kurds are not. Culturally and historically there has been deep differences and big distances between the two. This is true for Balouchis too. Persians dont consider Balouchis as Persians either. On the other hand Persians consider many other northwest Iranian speaking peoples as ethnic Persians, though from a linguistic point of view they speak different languages. the reason is because historically and culturally they are very close to one another.

This is also true about Kurmanjs and Zazas. If we even accept that their languages are separate then still they have closer languages, [both are northwst Iranic], and most important, historically and culturally they are the same.

Well it depends on which Persians you speak of. Persian nationalists will say that while Iranian nationalists won't...but you are right, Iran is a multi-ethnic nation.

I still believe Zaza culture is VERY close to Kurdish. Of course I'm not Zaza so I can't speak for them...

I've never seen anyone among fars people who says Kurds are Farsi, exept in politics. But the case of Kurmanjs and Zaza minority is different. they both consider themselves as Kurds. (exept in politics that some turkicized ones may say otherwise.)

This is just a classic cheap tactic that I always encounter. Whenever you guys cannot find answers to reply, you guys just say they are agents of Turkish government or they are Turkified. The Zaza nationalist movement has initiated by Zazas who live outside Turkey and who were exiled by the Turkish government. Still most of Zaza writers and musicians who support the movement are outside of Turkey. What you said above is all trash and nothing else.

We all know the the turkicized so-called zaza nationalists clan (or better to say zaza tribalists) are actually only found either in diaspora or randomly on internet. they have no root among Zaza Kurds who historicallty and naturallly have indentified themselves with their own Kurdish ethnic identity.

Again he used the word ''trash''!

PLz, somebody ban this turk!

[zurderer]

No... I disagree...

They do know the difference between Kurds and Turks... And they try to put a difference between Zazas and other Kurds...

So don't try to play innocent... Turkey is trying very hard to split Kurds - by religion, tribes, dialect etc... You try in every way to say: "you are not the same" - but so far, you have failed...

Please, how many turks know who are zazas. Infact Turkey helped kurds much about asimilating zazas. They ignored and suppressed zaza identity(Like kurds.).

So tell me, how many Turk at istanbul know zazas? until I met a zaza friend, I was thinking, at east there are only kurds..

[Serd]

@HeminKurdistani

My friend don't get frustrated and take a deep breath. The world needs chauvinists like you. Most of the Zaza writer and singers are outside of Turkey, but most of the Zazas and Zaza nationalists living in Zaza cities and towns .

My gush, I should be banned because I used the word trash. Take a very very deep breath because only an IQ-deprived Zaza could buy the trashes and insults that you wrote above. I am just bored to read the same kind story over and over.

Finally, just name five things that are common only between you and us, excluding Persians, Turks, and Arabs. Five is very minuscule for people living side by side for two millenniums. Go ahead without insulting.

[HeminKurdistani]

@HeminKurdistani

My friend don't get frustrated and take a deep breath. The world needs chauvinists like you. Most of the Zaza writer and singers are outside of Turkey, but most of the Zazas and Zaza nationalists living in Zaza cities and towns .

My gush, I should be banned because I used the word trash. Take a very very deep breath because only an IQ-deprived Zaza could buy the trashes and insults that you wrote above. I am just bored to read the same kind story over and over.

Finally, just name five things that are common only between you and us, excluding Persians, Turks, and Arabs. Five is very minuscule for people living side by side for two millenniums. Go ahead without insulting.

I'm not your friend and shut up.
I did not read the rest of your nonsese crab trash, s**t..

[Diri]

Hemin Kurdistan & Serd - you and everybody else is welcome to Roj Bash Kurdistan as long as you don't swear!

The MOMENT you start swearing, or offending other members - you automatically become candidates for banning...

We have banned many people for continiously swearing and breaking the rules of this forum... You are not immune!

Speak to eachother with RESPECT...

Thank you!