Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[Jamo]

Nobody is gonna buy that Kurdish propoganda here! The fact is we are not Kurdish. We don't want to learn Kurdish (Kurmanci) we are not interested in Kurdish culture and we will never be Kurdish. The more I visit this forum the more it is getting disgusting. Go make your propoganda to Arabs in Irak not to Zazas in Turkey. You guys are the last people on the earth who could make us Kurdish. You guys act worse than Turks. Keep your Kurdishness for Kurds. I'm becoming more and more a Zaza nationalist when I read this forum. Most of you guys don't even know how to convince us. One says Zazaki is a Kurdish dialect another one says we have similar food. Turkish food is actually Armenian, Persian, Greek and Arabic food. Food is not a good excuse. Cazyun says there are only two races in Turkey: Turkish and Kurdish he has a very deep knowledge about it. He should be the president of Kurdistan the more I read his messages the more I am convinced that has no idea about anything. Well at least he is funny My point is Kurds have their own thinking about Zazas and other people in which we will never agree. I think I said enough. By the way, me, serd and another guy who's father is Zaza and mother an Arab are the only ones here in a Kurdish forum. Where are the other Zazaki speakers Some of these Zazaki speaking Kurdish fans can't even speak one word in Zazaki and are not interested in it but they say we are Kurdish because Zazaki should've sound like Kurmanci. Just because we Zazas hate Turks they think we might be Kurdish. Next day, they are on the mountains have an AK-47 and onion on their hands. Well I'm really happy that only a few Zazas are like that. Last time when I asked a Zazaki speaker if he is Kurdish he said yes but after some minutes he said "Actually I don't feel as a Kurd at all" I'm an Alevi. Alevi is just a kind of religion not a race or identity. He also said we don't have much common with the Kurds in Iraq. We Zazas don't think like that. Religion is another matter. Zazas are getting stronger everyday which nobody can deny Those who don't accept us are not my problem. We don't need Kurds to tell us "yes, you are a Zaza you can't be a Kurd". Most messages that I read here are crap I would say around 70 %. Kurds are almost unable to organize themselves how would guys make us Kurdish

Good luck by building a great Kurdish Empire with Zaza legionary

[HeminKurdistani]

What is zazaistan?!! this term is fake not historic.


To the saljuq turkamans who say zaza bal bla...

What if one day scholars will find out that the actual Kurds are pahlawanic speaking Kurds? then wont u be ashamed of your embarassing nonsense? Keep in mind that out of all Kurds it was pahlawanik speaking Kurds who refered to themselves as Kurds not Kurmanji speaking ones. The Kurmanjis, -although by outsiders were refered to as Kurds-but refered to themselves as Kurmanj. The modern nomination of Kurmanji as true Kurdish has 'no historic' base. it has beenchosen only for the reason that out of the people who were identified as Kurds it was Kurmanjs who had a larger population!


Kurmanj means ''son of mede'' or offspring of Mede. (like for example in Bani Israel, bani = kur = offspring) Medes did not disaper after our Persian cousins took the power. during all the centuries there was numerous provinces in eastern Kurdistan which were called mede! historically the regions of Kirmanshah, Sanandaj and hamadan all were officialy known as the median satrapies. (for more details read history of Iran).

Thanks.

[Vladimir]

You won't understand Ughur.. nor other Turkish dialects in Central-Asia. Someone who speaks Kurmanci can understand Zaza too with difficulty...

http://www.biliwal.com/GoogleTap_SG_post_t_1090.html I think, you know turkish. This is an uygur page. Go and look at it, and read it one hour. than tell me, you dont understand much of that page.

well, now, do I understand it or not?(You dont need to be a turkish langauge master for to understand it.)

I am waiting for your answer.

I spoke with a Turkish language expert about this (My teacher for Turkish grammar). He knows more about Turkish then us and he agrees with me about Turks in Central-Asia. I recently saw a documentary about Ughurs and only thing I understood was the numbers. But lot of the numbers are also Arabic so:p.

[Vladimir]

You are such a great Dutch thinker. I cannot deal such a genius . Well, you are so biased. I can see it clearly in your posts here in this forum. So, there is no need to have a real discussion with you.

Just like most people in this forum, you don't know how to discuss. Discussion is not about personal attacks. I can talk about how biased you are, since you are a Zazaistanist, but I will leave it by here. I will not go so low. Despite the personal attacks and narrowminded comments.. this discussion was still interesting. Sera newiye simare xer vo! I have to study now and if "your movement" is succesfull, then I will just accept it like Diri.

[cazyun]

jamo i must laugh at you one last time

very funny man..very funny zazza= dont exists

ma oppinion admins

[Serd]

You are such a great Dutch thinker. I cannot deal such a genius . Well, you are so biased. I can see it clearly in your posts here in this forum. So, there is no need to have a real discussion with you.

Just like most people in this forum, you don't know how to discuss. Discussion is not about personal attacks. I can talk about how biased you are, since you are a Zazaistanist, but I will leave it by here. I will not go so low. Despite the personal attacks and narrowminded comments.. this discussion was still interesting. Sera newiye simare xer vo! I have to study now and if "your movement" is succesfull, then I will just accept it like Diri.

Okay fair, but I don't see that high level discussion etiquettes in your posts too. We might be biased. However, I am 100% sure that I'm right on one issue that is the classification of the Zazaki language in the Iranian languages family. Serra tuwa newiye xêyr u weş bo.

[Diri]

You are such a great Dutch thinker. I cannot deal such a genius . Well, you are so biased. I can see it clearly in your posts here in this forum. So, there is no need to have a real discussion with you.

Just like most people in this forum, you don't know how to discuss. Discussion is not about personal attacks. I can talk about how biased you are, since you are a Zazaistanist, but I will leave it by here. I will not go so low. Despite the personal attacks and narrowminded comments.. this discussion was still interesting. Sera newiye simare xer vo! I have to study now and if "your movement" is succesfull, then I will just accept it like Diri.

Okay fair, but I don't see that high level discussion etiquettes in your posts too. We might be biased. However, I am 100% sure that I'm right on one issue that is the classification of the Zazaki language in the Iranian languages family. Serra tuwa newiye xêyr u weş bo.

Do you want me (as a Kurmancî native) to translate your Zazakî line for our English speaking forumers?

[Vladimir]

Okay fair, but I don't see that high level discussion etiquettes in your posts too. We might be biased. However, I am 100% sure that I'm right on one issue that is the classification of the Zazaki language in the Iranian languages family. Serra tuwa newiye xêyr u weş bo.

I can do better too, yes.

By linguists Zazaki is placed in a different language group then Kurdish [Zaza-Gorani]. I think you can see it on http://www.ethnologue.com/. http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90021. Despite the fact that Gorani (Hewrami) speakers identify themselves as Kurds and that Gorani has major influences on Sorani grammar. (Not speaking about Zaza's now). So classification of languages/dialects is not so important for "etnicity". It's the political and social factor.

[Vladimir]

People from different ethnic groups or places call themselves 'Shar Ma', 'Sar Ma', 'Dimil' or 'Kirmandz'. SOV; pre- and postpositions; genitives, articles, adjectives relatives after noun heads; numerals before noun heads; question word replaces content word in content questions; 2 prefixes, 2 suffixes, word order distinguishes subject, object, indirect object; noun affixes indicate case; verb affixes indicate person, number, gender; ergativity; passives; causatives; comparatives; V, VC, VCC, CV, CVC, CVCC; nontonal. Mountain mesa, mountain slope, valleys. Deciduous forest. 1,000 to 3,000 meters. Pastoralists, peasant agriculturalists. Muslim (Alevi).

ethnologue.com - Kirmanjki

[cazyun]

there is no iranian languages in eastern anatolia or northern iran....

weird to say that mrs serd...

the term by it self is just silly..

[Vladimir]

What kind of "language family" then?

[Serd]

You are such a great Dutch thinker. I cannot deal such a genius . Well, you are so biased. I can see it clearly in your posts here in this forum. So, there is no need to have a real discussion with you.

Just like most people in this forum, you don't know how to discuss. Discussion is not about personal attacks. I can talk about how biased you are, since you are a Zazaistanist, but I will leave it by here. I will not go so low. Despite the personal attacks and narrowminded comments.. this discussion was still interesting. Sera newiye simare xer vo! I have to study now and if "your movement" is succesfull, then I will just accept it like Diri.

Okay fair, but I don't see that high level discussion etiquettes in your posts too. We might be biased. However, I am 100% sure that I'm right on one issue that is the classification of the Zazaki language in the Iranian languages family. Serra tuwa newiye xêyr u weş bo.

Do you want me (as a Kurmancî native) to translate your Zazakî line for our English speaking forumers?

Sure, go ahead and translate Mr. Kurmancî.

First, let me make a brief chart.

Zazaki - Persian - Kurmanci (Northern Kurdish)
Ser-------Sal----------Sal
Newe---Now----------Nû
Tı/tu------to-----------Tu
Xêyr-----Xêyr--------Xêyr (an Arabic word)
weş-------hoş--------xweş

[Serd]

People from different ethnic groups or places call themselves 'Shar Ma', 'Sar Ma', 'Dimil' or 'Kirmandz'. SOV; pre- and postpositions; genitives, articles, adjectives relatives after noun heads; numerals before noun heads; question word replaces content word in content questions; 2 prefixes, 2 suffixes, word order distinguishes subject, object, indirect object; noun affixes indicate case; verb affixes indicate person, number, gender; ergativity; passives; causatives; comparatives; V, VC, VCC, CV, CVC, CVCC; nontonal. Mountain mesa, mountain slope, valleys. Deciduous forest. 1,000 to 3,000 meters. Pastoralists, peasant agriculturalists. Muslim (Alevi).

ethnologue.com - Kirmanjki

Yes, this dialect of Zazaki is not only spoken by Zazas, but also spoken by Armenian and Kurds in that region. That's why it says people from different ethnic groups.

By the way, the term "Kirmanjki" is a wrong term to classify the whole northern dialect of the Zazaki language. It is only used in the inner Dersim. Infact, most people who spoke this dialect of Zazaki do not use the Kirmanjki word.

[cazyun]

mrs serd dont compare kurmanci with persian thats only words borrowed from them iranians....part of assimilation politics by iranians..

you like iranians take your people and move there..

i dont think this dude serd is even a zazza whatever he is.... he compares to much pro persian and iranian

probably a iranie

[Vladimir]