Animals in Kurdistan

[Azamat]

Yes, we also have Van cat. It's origin is of course Van.

Pan-Armenian thievist obstacle detected.

what do you mean?

Armenians claim that the Van cat is theirs.

[Kurdistano]

The cat, is a Van cat and so logically belongs to the People who are historically from Van. Means Kurds and Armenians.

[thesunchild]

Armenians claim that the Van cat is theirs.

Armenians claim that the whole world is theirs!

[Kurdistano]

East Anatolia is historically also their home but not only their like many of them claim. We shouldnt deny that just because some (many) Armenians claim that almost everything belongs them.

[thesunchild]

East Anatolia is historically also their home but not only their like many of them claim. We shouldnt deny that just because some (many) Armenians claim that almost everything belongs them.

Bullshit, only some parts above Wan Lake around Kars region were historically dominated by the Armenians! And I'm even not sure about that, because folks who Armenians considered as non-Kurds were actually Assyrians, Greeks, Kurds and Yezidi Kurds! With other words those areas were mixed and not dominated by the Armenian at all! Like Kurdish ethnically mixed and multi-cultural cities Kirkuk & Mosul in the south.

[Kurdistano]

East Anatolia is historically also their home but not only their like many of them claim. We shouldnt deny that just because some (many) Armenians claim that almost everything belongs them.

Bullshit, only some parts above Wan Lake around Kars region were historically dominated by the Armenians! And I'm even not sure about that, because folks who Armenians considered as non-Kurds were actually Assyrians, Greeks, Kurds and Yezidi Kurds! With other words those areas were mixed and not dominated by the Armenian at all! Like Kurdish ethnically mixed and multi-cultural cities Kirkuk & Mosul in the south.

Where did I claim Armenians were the majority in whole of Van? Read some of my older posts. I simply stated that Van was also populated by many (some areas of it even majority) Armenians too. In other words you cant call the cat Kurdish, Turkish, Armenian but only Van cat. And Kurds as being always present and today the large majority in Van can claim the Cat as a symbol of themselves just like Armenians who originated in Van.

[thesunchild]

East Anatolia is historically also their home but not only their like many of them claim. We shouldnt deny that just because some (many) Armenians claim that almost everything belongs them.

Bullshit, only some parts above Wan Lake around Kars region were historically dominated by the Armenians! And I'm even not sure about that, because folks who Armenians considered as non-Kurds were actually Assyrians, Greeks, Kurds and Yezidi Kurds! With other words those areas were mixed and not dominated by the Armenian at all! Like Kurdish ethnically mixed and multi-cultural cities Kirkuk & Mosul in the south.

Were did I claim Armenians were the majority in whole of Van? Read some of my older posts. I simply stated that Van was also populated by many (some areas of it even majority) Armenians too. In other words you cant call the cat Kurdish, Turkish, Armenian but only Van cat. And Kurds as being always present and today the large majority in Van can claim the Cat as a symbol of themselves.

It's not Van but Wan. Only Turks don't use 'W'!

As far as I know Lake 'Wan' has been always Kurdish! Ancient Irano-Hurrian proto-Kurdish Mannaeans (/Medes) lived between Lake Wan and Lake Urmia before they started to call themselves the Medes!

[Kurdistano]

We both are communicating in English. In English its Van. If I speak Kurdish than I use the word Wan.

[talsor]

This post seems to attracting quit a bit of attension and it is good to see that .







ze/6h/L+VQuSF//2Q==[/img]





Kurdish Wheatear

[Piling]

I wonder what could be the reaction of these poor cats in Van if we could ask : Are you Kurd or Armenian ? TELL US ! I guess they don't care of flags and passports, animals are wiser than humans.

There were wild donkeys before but exterminated by hunting i think.

[Azamat]

Peacocks are an important symbol for Yezidi Kurds. In my opinion they should enhance the presence of peacocks in Kurdistan.



I figured that the term 'Tawus' could possibly be an onomatopoeia of a real sound that peacocks make. It mimics a particular call they make when they charge at another peacock to mate. You can hear it in this video at 0:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4fZ7SiJVlI&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Also here:(sound at 0:07)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZWdiHrfuE&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[jjmuneer]

I want a pet Falcon, when I go to Kermanshah, I'll buy one.

[unitedkurdistan]

Armenians claim that the Van cat is theirs.[/quote]

So does turks. Kurds has always lived there. The mitanni, hurrian, median, uruatrian etc. Are all kurdish and have been living in todays Wan for millenniums. But armenian have lived there aswell and we can't deny it as turks can't deny that kurds have been living in anatolia for 1000s of years. But why shall persians be able to call it persian cat? WHen it's in Iran, or persian couger, or the persian GULF, in fact the persian gulf was controlled by arabic pirates for a long time.
We have all the right to call it kurdish as armenians do. Turks have nothing to do with it even tough they claim it since it's in turkey.

[jjmuneer]

Armenians claim that the Van cat is theirs.

So does turks. Kurds has always lived there. The mitanni, hurrian, median, uruatrian etc. Are all kurdish and have been living in todays Wan for millenniums. But armenian have lived there aswell and we can't deny it as turks can't deny that kurds have been living in anatolia for 1000s of years. But why shall persians be able to call it persian cat? WHen it's in Iran, or persian couger, or the persian GULF, in fact the persian gulf was controlled by arabic pirates for a long time.
We have all the right to call it kurdish as armenians do. Turks have nothing to do with it even tough they claim it since it's in turkey.[/quote]
Your forgot the Scythian/Alanian tribes who also lived there. Anyways Turks also can't deny the only came to Anatolia a thousand years ago and raped their way through the native populations.

[Kurdistano]

Peacocks are an important symbol for Yezidi Kurds. In my opinion they should enhance the presence of peacocks in Kurdistan.



I figured that the term 'Tawus' could possibly be an onomatopoeia of a real sound that peacocks make. It mimics a particular call they make when they charge at another peacock to mate. You can hear it in this video at 0:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4fZ7SiJVlI&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Also here:(sound at 0:07)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZWdiHrfuE&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

make somehow sense but the word Tawus also exists in arabic for peacocks and it probably originated from Indo-European and is related to Greek Zeus. Like I already mentioned. Yezdisim has strong similarities with Mithraism and other religions based on cosmos. We know that Yezidi Religion has 7 holy being also known as Angels. These 7 holy beings represent week days. Week days in many cultures are the same as planets (Planet names for instance are simply based on Greek and Roman God names) .

And if we take a closer look to Mithraism we read this

Worshippers of Mithras had a complex system of seven grades of initiation, with ritual meals. Initiates called themselves syndexioi, those "united by the handshake".[5] They met in underground temples (called a mithraeum), which survive in large numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_mysteries

Again 7 mysteries. Then when we read more about Scythian religion we find out this.

In Scythian mythology, which is sporadically known through Greek sources, a heptad of seven deities are worshiped, greatest of all being ''Tabithi'' or ''Tabiti'' who was ''queen of animals'' and ''godess of fire''.

Zeus and Tawus(related to Scythian Tabiti) probably have the same origin. Being the head of all other holy beings or Gods.

Its clear for me. Mithraism(Sun or Planet worshiping) is the proto-Indoeuropean religion and and Yezidism is simply based on it and has its roots probably in Scythian rituals. Zoroastrianism is simply a "modified" version of Mithraism.