Zazaîstan - Kurdistan - Luristan

[pesh17]

This term of zazaistan, has really been recently flirted with, by the alevi majority of the zazaki speaking kurds. First Zazaki is still much closer to kurdish, or another kurdish dialect than Turkish. The mechanics/ grammer/vocabulary belong to the northwestern Iranic language. It also close to Gurani wich belongs to the same dialect family.

1.) Dialect true is different, but still in the kurdish family, and closer to kurdish than any other language. so the don't meet the linguistic criteria. If you catorigize that, that is to micro, in this world of globalism

2.) There religion, is although Shi'i, in some ways, is still Islam, if you want to say that, Merdad Izady and David McDowell, both, say it isnt.

3.) Dressing? Every kurdish city has its own style, out of the question.

4.) Music. I am the biggest fan of zaza music, and listen to it alot. It just emphasis the baglama, no different the kurmanc music.

5.) Is for their yearning of Zazaistan, I have to agree with heval Kassem here, if they choose, which i highly doubt, than we will respect their "nation"

6.) They absolutley would not be oppressed in a free Kurdistan, but be embarced, I can gaurantee that friends. Yezidi's nore christians have been oppressed by kurds for the past 30 years, i doubt they would. We cant controll what some dumb sheikh did during the Ottoman days.

7.) Assimilation I think has just taking its toll on them, as all kurds, and they are frusturated by people trying to deny them. So I think they are just like all kurds fighting for their rights and culture. So blame fucking Ziya Gokalp and ataturk.

They are friendly people..

silave

[Diri]

Yes they are friendly...

I love Zaza and Gorani - they bring something new and exotic to our "national" kurdish culture... they give richness which is hard to find... But if they choose to - by a majority they certainly must be given nations hood and at the very least they should be respected it with autonomy..

[Jamo]

I am a Zaza from Dersim and I support the idea of Zazaistan. Long live Zazas

Zazaki is not Kurdish!

Zazas are not Kurds and Kurds are not Zazas!

[Rizgaraso]

Zaza's are recent immigrants to Anatolia. Linguistic evidence suggest that they immigrated from northern Iran to Anatolia at the same time/after Turkic immigration to Anatolia.

Besides the term Zazistan is not a historic toponym unlike Kurdistan or Luristan.

And for autonomy, I dont think they need it. they are a tiny minority already vanished in a sea of Turkish and Kurdish.

[Jamo]

Zaza's are recent immigrants to Anatolia. Linguistic evidence suggest that they immigrated from northern Iran to Anatolia at the same time/after Turkic immigration to Anatolia.

Besides the term Zazistan is not a historic toponym unlike Kurdistan or Luristan.

And for autonomy, I dont think they need it. they are a tiny minority already vanished in a sea of Turkish and Kurdish.

Well that's the way how you think. It is true that we immigrated from Northern Iran but not at the same time like Turks. We've been living in Anatolia for almost 2000 years

[Rizgaraso]

Zaza's are recent immigrants to Anatolia. Linguistic evidence suggest that they immigrated from northern Iran to Anatolia at the same time/after Turkic immigration to Anatolia.

Besides the term Zazistan is not a historic toponym unlike Kurdistan or Luristan.

And for autonomy, I dont think they need it. they are a tiny minority already vanished in a sea of Turkish and Kurdish.

Well that's the way how you think. It is true that we immigrated from Northern Iran but not at the same time like Turks. We've been living in Anatolia for almost 2000 years

This is not just my personal oponion. This is what scholars who have studied northwestern Iranic languages think. They say Pahlawanik group of dialects came from northern Iran during 13-14th centuries AD.
Kurdish scholars however, rejecting this, say, Zazas are Kurds who have lived alongside their Kurdish brethren for millennia.

[Piling]

I've red also that "dimli" could be originall "deylamî", and perhaps former Deylamî became "Goranî and Dimili". By the way, Deylamî were remarkable mountainers and tough warriors, there took hundred and hundred of years for Persians and Turkmens to conquest Daylam and hunt them away.

[Vladimir]

They are not coming from Deylam and they didn't migrate from Northern Iran. This is prooved by DNA research. Zaza-Kurds and Kurmanci-Kurds in Turkey are close to eachother.. genetically speaking. And that so-called Zaza-flag is stupid. Because it's the sword of Hiz Alli. Not all Zaza-Kurds are Alevi. 50% are Sunni Zaza's. And there are also Kurmanci speaking people in Dersim. And never forget Diri that "Zazaistan" is bigger then Dersim.

[piskrt]

Most Zazas in Turkey are sunni, and very conservative. Besides, many of them chose partipate in Turkish nationalist parties rather than kurdish parties in tha past. Some Alvevis favored socialist standing and are very critical of an independent kurdistan. so, ı am very skeptical if they want their own state.

[Diri]

They are not coming from Deylam and they didn't migrate from Northern Iran. This is prooved by DNA research. Zaza-Kurds and Kurmanci-Kurds in Turkey are close to eachother.. genetically speaking. And that so-called Zaza-flag is stupid. Because it's the sword of Hiz Alli. Not all Zaza-Kurds are Alevi. 50% are Sunni Zaza's. And there are also Kurmanci speaking people in Dersim. And never forget Diri that "Zazaistan" is bigger then Dersim.

Yes I know... Go look at the "Zazaistan" map... It's hilarious they even want Bidlîs...


But thank God - there are also reflective and outrovert Zazakî out there who see beyond this bogus...

[cazyun]

since when did zazzza became a question?

WIKIPEDIA

[Lovetobewithfriends]

since when did zazzza became a question?

WIKIPEDIA

yep wikipedia,old books,books written by different people,Kurdish,Zaza or Turkish to have a decision but you are right,cazyun,i love wikipedia is really cool

[Jamo]

Do you support independence of Zazaistan?
Yes - I do - We must respect other people and support them in their struggle for independence!
33% [ 4 ]
No - I don't - "Zazaistan" is a PART of Greater Kurdistan!
66% [ 8 ]


This is the opinion of Kurds not the opinion of Zazas. This is not important for us! You can not make someone Kurdish who doesn't feel that way Turks couldn't make the Kurds Turkish either

[Rizgaraso]

Do you support independence of Zazaistan?
Yes - I do - We must respect other people and support them in their struggle for independence!
33% [ 4 ]
No - I don't - "Zazaistan" is a PART of Greater Kurdistan!
66% [ 8 ]


This is the opinion of Kurds not the opinion of Zazas. This is not important for us! You can not make someone Kurdish who doesn't feel that way Turks couldn't make the Kurds Turkish either

No one said it is Zaza's oponion, however Zazas have long been known as starters and supporters of Panturkism and kemalism etc.

BTW i did not vote as my ideal option does not exist : (= let them be proud of republic of turkeys)

[Lovetobewithfriends]

If Zazas think they are seperate who can say no to them.My grandmother is Zaza,i saw good and smart Zazas.But i didnt know why they are seperate as Zazas and Kurds.Generally,Do Zazas think they are a kind of Kurds or seperate nation Zaza.They should have a country if they want but i wish we can have a country together even we are seperate nations .Outside of good wishes,i have seen a seperate freedom effort at first time,do Zazas think on freedom? .I saw even Erzincan on Kurdistan maps but it goes worse up to Diyarbakır.And even a part of Diyarbakır is in the Zazaki map .But i think up to Diyarbakır is not clear and assimilated a bit and there is mixed nations,they dont have a clear word about national rights or...i dont know much about that and i guess Alevi or Sunni,they are close to Turks.Anyways,if any nation want their country,i hope they can have,i can only respect them and i vote for Zazas' country.