Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

[hevalo27]

http://www.youtube.com/v/tn5LcL0yDFU&hl ... rel=0&hd=1

very beautiful song. i heard it sometimes before, but hadnt know it is hawrami.

i think the truth is somewhere in between. feyli are a mix of kurmanci and hawrami tribes and therefore they speak both languages, southkurmanci and hawrami, or a mix.

does hawrami-kurds identifie himself as feyli ?

[jjmuneer]

No, but do you have a video of a conversation, because I can barely understand Fayli in text let alone Zazaki. The videos I posted, those are the dialects I speak. So you can compare them.

why? its not hard to learn.

Here let me write the first minute of this video, i dont understand the amateur comedians and the woman who speaks like arabic but he speaks clear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fb4P_6Ayoc

wextitan we xêr temaşewaneylî ezîz ye bernamey .... bernamey we feylî ke her rojelî cuma le seet 9ewe wexte baghdad le newroz tv peşawdê(?) û wexte ilam û kirmaşanede nêw nîmê şeb. rojê badê(?) carek tirek dubare edê. îme xwazîmin ey bernama....

and let me translate to kurmancî>

wexta/dema we bi xêr temaşewanên ezîz\hêja, yên bernameya ..... bernameya bi feylî ku her rojên înê li seet 9an va bi dema\wexta baghdad di newroz tv da ye û di dema ilam û kirmaşanêde neh nîvê şevê. roja din carek din dubare tê. em dixwazin ev bernama....

you see that feyli is closer to sorani and kurmanci and not hewrami and zazaki. i dont say not feyli are not pehlewi, i say that if feyli is pehlewi, than zazaki and hewrami are not pehlewi. you see our zazaki speaker agree, feyli is south kurdish and not in hewrami\zazaki category.

you can call kurmanci a feyli or soranî with a gramar highly similar to zazaki.

But you didn't write Hewrami to compare it with lol.
Lol how is the lady speaking like arabic? She used like two arabic words in the whole thing. That is pure fayli, and actually the man speaking fayli is mixing it with Sorani. Even tell Kak Alan.
Look I don't deny it is a south Kurdish language, but fayli is closer to Hewrami regardless of what you think. Because even though in Iran they use some loanwords, that is how your meant to speak fayli, in terms of the accent. As you can see the man in video link you posted has a Sorani influenced accent, whilst the lady doesn't. That as how it is meant to be spoken.

[jjmuneer]

http://www.youtube.com/v/tn5LcL0yDFU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1

very beautiful song. i heard it sometimes before, but hadnt know it is hawrami.

i think the truth is somewhere in between. feyli are a mix of kurmanci and hawrami tribes and therefore they speak both languages, southkurmanci and hawrami, or a mix.

does hawrami-kurds identifie himself as feyli ?

Lol? Feylis are from Sanjabi orginally, we never mixed nor will we. Faylis have and always will remain pahliwani. Maybe there were cultural influence from Kurmacnis that caused this.

[hevalo27]

http://www.youtube.com/v/tn5LcL0yDFU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1

very beautiful song. i heard it sometimes before, but hadnt know it is hawrami.

i think the truth is somewhere in between. feyli are a mix of kurmanci and hawrami tribes and therefore they speak both languages, southkurmanci and hawrami, or a mix.

does hawrami-kurds identifie himself as feyli ?

Lol? Feylis are from Sanjabi orginally, we never mixed nor will we. Faylis have and always will remain pahliwani. Maybe there were cultural influence from Kurmacnis that caused this.

looool, bro, kurd is kurd, dont worry.
if feyli and kurmanc never mixxed, what makes them to kurds i speak kurmanci, but i am also hawram, kirmanck, soran, bahdinan, feyli, lor
all kurds are mixxed with each other since 1000 of years, that makes us to kurds.
not groundless linguists speak from a complicate dialect cluster in the kurdish languages.

[jjmuneer]

http://www.youtube.com/v/tn5LcL0yDFU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1

very beautiful song. i heard it sometimes before, but hadnt know it is hawrami.

i think the truth is somewhere in between. feyli are a mix of kurmanci and hawrami tribes and therefore they speak both languages, southkurmanci and hawrami, or a mix.

does hawrami-kurds identifie himself as feyli ?

Lol? Feylis are from Sanjabi orginally, we never mixed nor will we. Faylis have and always will remain pahliwani. Maybe there were cultural influence from Kurmacnis that caused this.

looool, bro, kurd is kurd, dont worry.
if feyli and kurmanc never mixxed, what makes them to kurds i speak kurmanci, but i am also hawram, kirmanck, soran, bahdinan, feyli, lor
all kurds are mixxed with each other since 1000 of years, that makes us to kurds.
not groundless linguists speak from a complicate dialect cluster in the kurdish languages.

I'm not saying were not Kurds or your not, but I'm saying we didn't mix. I'm not in denial, its a fact, of course I cannot prove that faylis never mixed, but as you know we've had very tribal societies which have disabled that. Maybe linguistically there were influences from Kurmanci clans to Pahli ones, but genetically I don't think so. Faylis actually look very similar to Zazaki Kurds I think.

[kurd-sthanam]

bremin First of all Mehrdad Izady who say the theori that you claim is not linguist, he is HISTORIAN. he has no evidence for the map he has drawn.

But the 3 other kurdish professors i postet are LINGUISTS. in linguistic perspective, they mean, feyli-kelhor-leki belong to south kurdish wich is closes to sorani and kurmanci. nuqta.

compare:

kurmanci: ez dikim, ez dizanim, xweş, xwastin, kirin, dil,
feyli: me ekem, me ezanim, xuweş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
sorani: min ekam, min ezanim, xoş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
hewrami: min mekeru, min mezanu, weş, wastey, kerdey, zil,
zazaki: ez kenan, ez zanan, weş, wastene, kerdene, zerre

conclusion>
-feyli (south kurdish) is closest to sorani and kurmanci.

i stop discussion more.

[Johny English]

Jmuneer is maybe right, maybe Feyli/Pehli is really a kurmancized version of Hewrami. I didn't found much materials about this language/dialect. In ethnologue.com stands, Feyli were a Southern Kurdish dialect. I'm also confused.

[Johny English]

bremin First of all Mehrdad Izady who say the theori that you claim is not linguist, he is HISTORIAN. he has no evidence for the map he has drawn.

But the 3 other kurdish professors i postet are LINGUISTS. in linguistic perspective, they mean, feyli-kelhor-leki belong to south kurdish wich is closes to sorani and kurmanci. nuqta.

compare:

kurmanci: ez dikim, ez dizanim, xweş, xwastin, kirin, dil,
feyli: me ekem, me ezanim, xuweş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
sorani: min ekam, min ezanim, xoş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
hewrami: min mekeru, min mezanu, weş, wastey, kerdey, zil,
zazaki: ez kenan, ez zanan, weş, wastene, kerdene, zerre

conclusion>
-feyli (south kurdish) is closest to sorani and kurmanci.

i stop discussion more.

Oh thanks.

Its actually zerrí "heart (love"), zerre means 'inside' (in relation with Kurmanji zik 'stomach' < zirk).

waştene is more original, this "s" in Kurmanji (rast, xwestin, şest) is persian influence.

[hevalo27]

@jonny

"s" like seven doesnt exist in kirmancki?

[kurd-sthanam]

Jmuneer is maybe right, maybe Feyli/Pehli is really a kurmancized version of Hewrami. I didn't found much materials about this language/dialect. In ethnologue.com stands, Feyli were a Southern Kurdish dialect. I'm also confused.

even if it was hewrami wich was kurmancized, today you cant call it hewrami because it is more close to kurmanci.

example in scandinavia the dominant language was danish/swedish wich was norse language but highly influenced by low-german and therefor the old norwegian language wich was more pure died out. now norwegians speak almost danish but they still call it norwegian.

the norwegians tried to relieve the old norwegian language, they called it "new norwegian", they thought it on schools but now the population of that language is reduced again to minimals.

[jjmuneer]

bremin First of all Mehrdad Izady who say the theori that you claim is not linguist, he is HISTORIAN. he has no evidence for the map he has drawn.

But the 3 other kurdish professors i postet are LINGUISTS. in linguistic perspective, they mean, feyli-kelhor-leki belong to south kurdish wich is closes to sorani and kurmanci. nuqta.

compare:

kurmanci: ez dikim, ez dizanim, xweş, xwastin, kirin, dil,
feyli: me ekem, me ezanim, xuweş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
sorani: min ekam, min ezanim, xoş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
hewrami: min mekeru, min mezanu, weş, wastey, kerdey, zil,
zazaki: ez kenan, ez zanan, weş, wastene, kerdene, zerre

conclusion>
-feyli (south kurdish) is closest to sorani and kurmanci.

i stop discussion more.

Its not really, because I think Fayli is equally close to Hewrami. The words only deviate ever so slightly. By the way we don't Xowasha, we say 'Reyeen'.
Fayli is just as clsoe to Hewrami. I'm sorry, but where are these linguistics? You didn't post any links at all. If you post it here, then I will stop bothering you, but you can't disprove what I'm saying regardless. Even the academics don't know as you say, so how can you just come to a conclusion judging by a few words. Feyli is very different to Sorani, not just the way its spoken but plenty of words are different. So you cannot prove anything with a few lines.

[jjmuneer]

bremin First of all Mehrdad Izady who say the theori that you claim is not linguist, he is HISTORIAN. he has no evidence for the map he has drawn.

But the 3 other kurdish professors i postet are LINGUISTS. in linguistic perspective, they mean, feyli-kelhor-leki belong to south kurdish wich is closes to sorani and kurmanci. nuqta.

compare:

kurmanci: ez dikim, ez dizanim, xweş, xwastin, kirin, dil,
feyli: me ekem, me ezanim, xuweş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
sorani: min ekam, min ezanim, xoş, xwastin, kirdin, dil,
hewrami: min mekeru, min mezanu, weş, wastey, kerdey, zil,
zazaki: ez kenan, ez zanan, weş, wastene, kerdene, zerre

conclusion>
-feyli (south kurdish) is closest to sorani and kurmanci.

i stop discussion more.

Oh thanks.

Its actually zerrí "heart (love"), zerre means 'inside' (in relation with Kurmanji zik 'stomach' < zirk).

waştene is more original, this "s" in Kurmanji (rast, xwestin, şest) is persian influence.

We actually say 'Nawa' for inside, and 'Baan' for on top.

[jjmuneer]

Jmuneer is maybe right, maybe Feyli/Pehli is really a kurmancized version of Hewrami. I didn't found much materials about this language/dialect. In ethnologue.com stands, Feyli were a Southern Kurdish dialect. I'm also confused.

Exactly my point lol, there is no evidence to suggest it isn't that, yet you have someone who is trying to present false evidence.

[kurd-sthanam]

Its not really, because I think Fayli is equally close to Hewrami. The words only deviate ever so slightly. By the way we don't Xowasha, we say 'Reyeen'.
Fayli is just as clsoe to Hewrami. I'm sorry, but where are these linguistics? You didn't post any links at all. If you post it here, then I will stop bothering you, but you can't disprove what I'm saying regardless. Even the academics don't know as you say, so how can you just come to a conclusion judging by a few words. Feyli is very different to Sorani, not just the way its spoken but plenty of words are different. So you cannot prove anything with a few lines.

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/41

[jjmuneer]

Its not really, because I think Fayli is equally close to Hewrami. The words only deviate ever so slightly. By the way we don't Xowasha, we say 'Reyeen'.
Fayli is just as clsoe to Hewrami. I'm sorry, but where are these linguistics? You didn't post any links at all. If you post it here, then I will stop bothering you, but you can't disprove what I'm saying regardless. Even the academics don't know as you say, so how can you just come to a conclusion judging by a few words. Feyli is very different to Sorani, not just the way its spoken but plenty of words are different. So you cannot prove anything with a few lines.

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/41

That is not a linguistic, and it is from the same sight. Those "linguistics are europeans". If you want to disregard M.Idazy, then I shall disregard your sources.
Anywyas that diagram just proves my point that Feyli is closer to Gurani, which is ovbiously linked to Hewrami.
Exactly also Sorani is Central, whilst were southern. Look frankly I don't really care about linguistics, its about in the blood that matters. I understand everyone wants to be Feyli Kurds, but its ok. Kidding, but seriously linguistcs doesn't prove shit, just look at Turks, sure they have Turkic origins, but racially speaking they are mostly caucasian.