Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

[Zert]

What are you calling our sacred army weak and incapable?

I said no such thing.

Hmm let me think, Turkish military bases in occupied northern Kurdistan. Can't really do anything? Peshmerga is 300,000 and 10x that number in spirit. I don't see why we Kurds are so scared of Turkish army? They have guns, we have guns, they may have planes, but lets face it we have mountains. The Turkish army has been struggling to destroy the PKK.

But see, the Peshmerga crossing the border to attack Turkish military bases would be equal to a declaration of war. Perhaps there's a time where we could afford such a thing, but now's certainly not the moment. Especially since an Iranian-Turkish coorporation is certainly possible if it's to silence us.
Btw, one has to be fair; we cannot defeat the Turkish Army, they probably can't defeat us either; but it would be a horrible, bloody war.

On a related note, Deniz Gezmis cared about us.

[Azamat]

A military conflict between the KRG and Turkey would indeed be a highly unwise move, but on the diplomatic scale I have to say that I am again disappointed by the KRG's soft reaction. I suspect that the KRG fears the economic consequences of such a move. The attachment to Turkey in this field should be removed so that the KRG gains some room for diplomatic offensives, and frankly I do not understand why the KRG has let itself be economically subjected to Turkey in the first place.

But of course a fierce vengeance attack by the PKK would now be most appropriate.

[thearabchildren]

What Turkish union?

I have an entire BOOK on this conflict in Germany, if you're interested.

Name me one Turk that gave a shit about us Kurds?

I am talking about the Cold War, and I already named TKP-ML, which was not one Turk, but many. İbrahim Kaypakkaya and his whole clique, fought (and in many cases DIED) in solidarity with the Kurds to have their own state as part of a grand workers' utopia that of course never came to fruition.

Additionally, are you somehow unaware of the glorious Azerbaijan People's Government, which was allied with the glorious Republic of Mahabad?

Were on our own.

You certainly are now. This I don't deny.

People die everyday, some people die on the way to work.

Do you think I'm unaware of this?

[jjmuneer]

ITS ALREADY WAR.Whats wrong with you man? Their already bombing, or they did in previous years, and KRG don't do nothing. These are acts of war. Isn't occupied northern Kurdistan and bombing of Qandil enough to show you that?

@Azamat honestly I don't see what KRG could do diplomatically anymore? Wise and un-wise? Sorry I've lost all sense of wisdom. I don't see why we Kurds are so afraid of breaking a peace that doesn't exist.

[jjmuneer]

What Turkish union?

I have an entire BOOK on this conflict in Germany, if you're interested.

Name me one Turk that gave a shit about us Kurds?

I am talking about the Cold War, and I already named TKP-ML, which was not one Turk, but many. İbrahim Kaypakkaya and his whole clique, fought (and in many cases DIED) in solidarity with the Kurds to have their own state as part of a grand workers' utopia that of course never came to fruition.

Additionally, are you somehow unaware of the glorious Azerbaijan People's Government, which was allied with the glorious Republic of Mahabad?

Were on our own.

You certainly are now. This I don't deny.

People die everyday, some people die on the way to work.

Do you think I'm unaware of this?

And are you aware of the glorious Azerijiban's alignment to Turkey now? Are you really trying to personally attack me?
I don't know if your un-aware or not, thats why I asked.

[jjmuneer]

A military conflict between the KRG and Turkey would indeed be a highly unwise move, but on the diplomatic scale I have to say that I am again disappointed by the KRG's soft reaction. I suspect that the KRG fears the economic consequences of such a move. The attachment to Turkey in this field should be removed so that the KRG gains some room for diplomatic offensives, and frankly I do not understand why the KRG has let itself be economically subjected to Turkey in the first place.

But of course a fierce vengeance attack by the PKK would now be most appropriate.

This is why I like you Kak Azamat, you see the problem and see the solution. You also speak you mind.

[Azamat]

I@Azamat honestly I don't see what KRG could do diplomatically anymore? Wise and un-wise? .

The only thing the KRG has to do is be angry, and some superficial show-threats at Turkey wouldn't be so misplaced either. Just to show the world that we are serious, and then for once maybe we will cease to be regarded as submissive little wimps.

The KRG should also put up some glorious military parades.

[jjmuneer]

I@Azamat honestly I don't see what KRG could do diplomatically anymore? Wise and un-wise? .

The only thing the KRG has to do is be angry, and some superficial show-threats at Turkey wouldn't be so misplaced either. Just to show the world that we are serious, and then for once maybe we will cease to be regarded as submissive little wimps.

The KRG should also put up some glorious military parades.

Ok maybe I overreacted, but yes your right. Although knowing Turkey, Turks and their history, they won't budge to military threats.
...And military parades, that would be a sight.

[thearabchildren]

And are you aware of the glorious Azerijiban's alignment to Turkey now? Are you really trying to personally attack me?
I don't know if your un-aware or not, thats why I asked.

I am totally aware of the totally different ex-Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan's politics. And even if I was referring to any solidarity the ex-Soviet Azerbaijan might've once shown for Kurds, I was complaining about the fact that this is NOT the world we live in now. I don't mean to embarass you publicly, but I am talking about a government in Iranian Azerbaijan, which you apparently were unaware of: Persian, English, French, and German.

Also: "Devrimci Harekatin Fasist Türk Develetine karşı mücadelede verdikleri şehitler" (Martyrs given by the revolutionary movement in the struggle against the fascist Turkish state"):

A. Ali Ünver A. Turgut Yilmaz, Abdi seker, Abdülkadir Adanur Abdullah BOzdag, Abdullah Demir, Abdullah Gözalan, Abdullah GÜLBUDAK, Abdurrahman ÇETiN, Abdülkadir ADANUR, Abdullah Meral, Abdülmecit Seckin, Abdulrezzak Sapikalin, Abdurrahman AYDIN, Abdurrahman ÇEÇEN, Abidin Yildiz, Abuzer ÇAT, Adalet Yer, Adalet Yildirim, Adem Güler, Adem İNCE, Adem SARIKAYA, Adem Tecim, Adil Can, Adil Kaplan, Adil Ovalioglu, Adnan Berber, Adem ÖZER, Adil YILMAZ, Adnan ÖNK, Ahmet AYTAÇ, Ahmet ÇETiN, Ahmet ERiKLi, Ahmet GÖZÜKARA, Ahmet GÜRLER, Ahmet KILIÇ, Ahmet Ozdemir, Ahmet PEHLiVAN, Ahmet SAKiN, Ahmet Serif SATILMIS, Agadede Sarikaya, Ahmet Alan, Ahmet Atasoy (kizildere), Ahmet Bascavus, Ahmet ÇELİK, Ahmet ERDOĞDU, Ahmet Erekli, Ahmet Fazyl, Ahmet Gozukara, Ahmet Güder, Ahmet IBiLi, Ahmet Karlangac, Ahmet KERSE, Ahmet Köksal, Ahmet Muharrem CIcek, Ahmet Öztürk SK Ahmet Saner (idam), Ahmet SAVRAN, Ahmet TANER, Ahmet UZUN, Ahmet YÜKSEL, Arif TURANLI, Asim KESER, Aidin Bulmak, Akif YILMAZ, Alaattin Genc, Alaaddin BÖLÜKBAS, Alaaddin DEMiRCi, Alaattin MURTAZA, Alaybey YILMAZ, Aleksandros Konteas, Ali AKSU, Ali BAKIR, Ali CANPOLAT , Ali Fuat OKAN, Ali Ihsan ÖZER, Ali ISÇI, Ali AKTAŞ, Ali Algül, Ali Ates , Ali Ayata , Ali Aygül , Ali Bülent ORKAN, Ali Celik, Ali ÇİÇEK, Ali Demiralp , Ali DEMİRKIRAN, Ali Duran Erodlu , Ali Efeodlu , Ali Ekber Baris, Ali Ekber Tural , Ali EREK, Ali Erturk , Ali Faik Özkan, Ali Haydar sahin , Ali Haydar Yildiz, Ali Hüseyin Avci , ALI IHSAN ÖZKAN , Ali Kacar , Ali Kalkan , Ali Kayahan, Ali Kayayildiz, Ali Necip Bozaliodlu, Ali Özbakyr, Ali Riza , Ali Riza Addogan , Ali Riza Boyoglu, Ali Riza Karagöz , Ali Riza Yerli, Ali SARIBAL (isk), Ali Sildal, Ali Taryk Kocodlu, Ali Topalodlu, Ali Turgut, Ali Yildirim, Ali Inan , Ali Yesilgul, Ali Yücel , Ali Yildirim, Ali Yilmaz, ALP ATA AKÇAGÖZ , Alp Aslan, Alper Ersoy , Altan Berdan KERİMGİLLER, Arif Öngel, Asaf Kocak, Asaf Tunc , Asim Bezirci, Aslan Tel Asuman Koc, Asuman Sivri SK Asur korkmaz Atalay savaş Ataman İnce Atilla Acartürk Atilla KILINÇ Attilla Ermutlu (catisma) Avni GOkoglu Avni Turan Ayce Idil Erkmen (O) Aydemir sahin, Aydin EFETÜRK Aydin EROL Aydin Yalcinkaya, Aygun Ugur (O) Ayhan ALAN Ayhan ESKiCi Ayhan GÖKVELiOGLU Ayhan Efeodlu Ayhan Pektas Ayhan SÖNMEZ Aykut Kaynar Aynur Ceylan Ayse Gülen Ayse MAKAR Ayse Nil Ergen, Aysenur simsek Aytaç Duran Erdogan Ayten Korkulu, Ayten Yüksel Keles Aziz Agac (iskence) Aziz BÜYÜKERTAŞ Aziz DÖNMEZ Aziz ÖZBAY Azmi Akan Baba Erdogan Bahadır DUMANLI Bahattin Anik Bahattin Iscan Bahri Mutlu, Cemal Karapinar Baki Erdodan Baki Kahraman Barbaros Kadyodlu Barys Atalay, Basri Yeler Battal Mehmetoglu Bayram ALi Tatoglu Bayram Citak Bayram Eyi Bayram LAFÇI Bayram Surucu Bedii Cengiz Bedri TAN Behcet Aysan, SK Behçet DiNLERER Behiye Canik, Bekir BAĞ Belkis Cakir, SK berrin bickilar Bilal Karakaya, Bilal TURAN Bilgin GiRGiN Birtan Altunbas Bülent Ülkü Buluthan Kangalgil Bünyamin ULUSOY Burhan Remzi Kafadenk Cadlar Coskuner, Cafer AVCI Cahit senyüz Canan Kulaksiz (O) Caner Caglar Carina Cuanna, SK Cavit KAYA Cavit Özkaya, Celal Çelik Cem Güler Cemal ARAT Cemal ÇAM Cemal KILIÇ Cemal Örek Cemal Özdemir Cemil TIPIRDAMAZ Çetin BAY Cemal Ucan Cemil KIRBAYIR Cenap Dizdar Cengiz AKSAKAL Cengiz BAKTEMUR CENGİZ ÇALIKOPARAN Cengiz Kala, Cengiz SAHiN Cengiz Soydas Cetin Gencdodan Çetin Güneş Cevdet Karakas (idam) Çigdem YILDIR Cihan Alptekin (Kizildere) Cihan Taciildiz, Cömert Özen, Cumali ÇOPUR Demet Taner Deniz Gezmis Dervis savgat Devrim Mehmet Erodlu, Dincer Yilmaz Diran Nigiz Dodan Genc, DOĞAN ALTUN Dogan Oz Dogan Ozzumrut (catisma) Duran Akbas Durmuş KILINÇ Dursun ARIK Dursun Cakir Dursun Kaya Dursun Onder Düzgün Tekin Diran NERGiS Duran KÖSE Eda Yüksel, Edibe Sulari, SK Edip DÖNEKÇİ Ekrem Akyn Savas Ekrem BOZKIR Ekrem Hoca Ekrem Ercan Elmas Yalcyn, Emin Arslan Emine Tuncal (O) Emine YILMAZ Ender Can Yıldız (O) Ensar KARAHAN Enver Kurt Enver ÖZTEKiN Enver Er Eralp Yazar Erbil Sary Ercan Gündoddu Ercan Özceken ERCAN POLAT Ercan Yildirim Ercan Yurtbilir (catisma) Ercüment Aksoy Ercument Gurkut Ercüment Özdemir, Erdinç COSKUN Ergül DiNÇ Erhan BiTLiSLi Erdal Ayranci, SK Erdal EREN (idam) Erdal Sener Erdogan Güler (O) Erdogan YAZGAN Ergin Altin Erhan AKKURT Erkan Akcali, Erkan Hakan PERİŞAN Erkan UZUNEMiNAGAOGLU Ertugrul KARAKAYA Erol AV Erol Evcil (O) Erol KABAK Erol Yalcin, Ertan Saruhan (Kizildere) Ertan Yeldiren Esat Yildirim Esma Polat Eşref ANYIK Eylem Yildiz, Eyüphan Polat F. Yilmaz Güven Fadime Bingöl, Fahri DEDE Fahri Sari Faruk Bayrakci Fatma Ersoy (O) Fatma Hülya Tümgan (O) Fatma Özcelik Fatma Süzen Fehime Öztürk Ferda Civelek, Ferhan Peker Ferhat KUTAY Feride Karaca Feridun AYDINLI Ferit Eliuygun, Fesih BEYAZÇİÇEK Fevzi Aslansoy Fevzi Azirci Feyzullah ÖZMEN FIDAN KALSEN Figen Yalcinoglu, Fikret Kara Fikri ARIKAN Fikri Baygeldi Fikri Keles Fikri Sonmez Fikriye G. MUHAMMET Fintöz Dikme, Firat tavuk Firuz Mehmedi Fuat Erdodan, Fuat ÖNDER Fuat Perk Gaffur AVSAR Garabet Ayhan Gökalp ÇiFTÇiOGLU Gökdemir Gülay Arici Gülay TANRIVERDi Gulbin Ucar Gülender Akca, SK Güler Ceylan, Gulizar Simsek (O) Gülnaz Saryodlu, GÜLSER TUZCU Gülseren Beyaz, Gülsüm Karababa, SK Gulsuman Donmez (Or) Gültekin BEYHAN Güner sar, Gursel Bakir Gürsel ÇAVUSLU Gürsel KÜÇÜKYILDIZ Gürsel MORKAN Güven Keskin, Güzel Dündar Habil iRGÜL Hacer iPEK Hacer Ipek Saman Haki KARAER Halis BiLGE Hamdi Toka Hasan Ocak Hasan Yildirim Hatice Altun Hikmet Ozkurkcu H. Ybrahim Bayraktar H.Hüsnü EROĞLU Huseyin Kirkin Habib Gul Hacı Köse Hakan Çabuk Hakan Kasa, Hakan MERMEROLUK Hakkı TEKİN Hakky Karahan, Halil Ates, Halil ESENDAĞ Halil GİCE HALİL ÖNDER Halil TÜRKER Halil Ybrahim Ekicibil, Halit YILDIRIM Haluk AYDIN Hamdi Aygül Hamdi KESKİN Hamdullah ŞENGÜLEN Hamit Kaya Hamit Tekin Hamiyet Yildiz HAMZA BALCI Handan Metin,SK Hanim Gul (O) Harun GÖKKAYA Hatice ALANKUS Haydar ÖZTÜRK Haydar TÜRKMEN Hasan Aktas, Hasan Aslan Hasan Ates Hasan AYDIN Hasan Bülbül Hasan Eliuygun Hasan Erkus, Hasan GÖK Hasan OKUT Hasan SABiTOGLU Hasan YILDIRIM HASAN GÜNGÖRMEZ Hasan Gürgen, Hasan Harputlu Hasan Huseyin Onat (O) Hasan Karagöz Hasan Okut, Hasan Telci Hasan TELCİ Hasan Veli Asikci Hasan Avci Hasret Gültekin, SK Hatice Alankus Hatice Özen Hatice Yildiz, Hatice Yurekli (O) Hayati Can (O) Haydar Aydyn, Haydar Basbad, Haydar BAŞBAĞ Haydar YAĞMUR Hayrettin Eren Hayri Koc Hayri Durmus Hicabi Kucuk (O) Hıdır Altunay (iskence) Hıdır ASLAN (i) Hidir ERDEMiR Hikmet ÖZKÜRKÇÜ Hikmet YOGURTÇU Hikmet TARHAN Hikmet UYSAL Hikmet Kuru, Hudai Arikan (Kizildere) Hülya Ates, Huriye Özkana, SK Hüsamettin Yaman Hüseyin Aksoy Hüseyin Arslantaş Hüseyin Aslan, Huseyin Cevahir Hüseyin Coskun, Huseyin Demircioglu (O) Hüseyin Deniz, Hüseyin KAN Huseyin Karakus (iskencede) Hüseyin Kilic, Hüseyin KIRGIN Hüseyin Köse Hüseyin Soyuudur Hüseyin Tas Hüseyin Ulu Hüseyin YÜCE Hüsniye Aydin, Husnu Gok Hüsnü Iseri Ibis Demir İbiş URAL (is) Ibrahim BALOGLU Ibrahim BOZKURT Ibrahim Celik Ibrahim Erdogan Ibrahim Ethem COskun (Idam) Ibrahim Ilci, Ibrahim Karakus, Ibrahim LEVENT Ibrahim Ozalp Ibrahim TÜMER Ibrahim Yalcin Ibrahim Yalcyn Arykan, İdris CAN Ihsan Abdi ÖNAL Ihsan ERMiS Ilhan DURMUS Ilginc Ozkeskin (O) Ilhami Cavusoglu Ilhan Erdost ((Sol Yayinlari) Ilhan Yylhan İLKER BABACAN Ilker Mansuroglu Ilhan Emre İlyas HAS Imran Ayhan, Inkilap Dal Inci Türk, SK Irfan Addas Irfan Barlyk İrfan ÇELİK Irfan Yenilmez irfan_ortakci İshak TEKİN Ismail Akarcesme Ismail BOYUNDURUK İsmail BAĞ Ismail Bahceci İsmail Cüneyt İsmail EKİNBİÇER İsmail Gökhan Edge Ismail Kandemir Ismail KIRAN Ismail SAHiN Ismail Sentürk İsmet DİLEK Ismet Erdogan İsmet KAVAKLIOĞLU ISMET TAS Jale Yesilnil Kadir AKSOY Kadir Balci Kadir Dodan Kadriye Duman Kadir Tandogan (idam) Kadri DEMİR Kadri Güldü Kahraman Alsancak Kahraman Altun Kalender Kayapynar Kasım ARAS Kaya Resadiyeli Kayhan Tazeodlu, Kazim Ozudogru (Kizildere) Kemal Altun Kemal Askeri, Kemal Aygül Kemal Camekan Kemal KARA Kemal Karaca Kemal PİR Kenan Aydemir Kenan AYDIN Kenan Budak (Deri Is Send Bsk) Kenan Catak Kenan ÇİFTÇİ Kenan GÜRSEY Kenan Gürz, Kenan Özbilek Kenan SENGÖZ Kenan Yilmaz, SK Kiymet Hanoglu Koray Dogan Koray Kaya, SK Kubilay BİÇİCİLER Kubilay Yesilkaya, Kurban KAYA Kürsat TiMUROGLU Kurtuluş PARLAK Levent Dogan (C) Leyla Dogan Levent ERTÜMER Leyla Altiparmak Leyla Kuran M.Ali SAGIT Mahmut Ozbelen Maside Karasu Meral Cebren Multezim Oltulu Murat Elmas M. Emin AKPINAR (isk) M.Ali UGUR M.Hayri DURMUŞ M.Mutlu ÇETiN M.Nimet ÇAKMAK M.Sirin ÖNEN Mahir Cayan, Mahir EMSALSIZ Mahmut Atilla ÖZBELEN Mahmut GÜNERI Mahmut KAYA Mahmut Toy Mahmut Ucar Mahmut YILDIRIM Mahmut ZENGİN Makbule Sürmeli Mazlum DOĞAN Mazlum Güder Mazlum GÜDER Mehdi Alkan Mehmet Akif Dalci Mehmet Ali Genc Mehmet Akser Mehmet Ali Aydin, M. Ali Balodlu Mehmet Ali Bunul M. Ali Öztürk Mehmet Ali Doğan Mehmet Ali Karasu Mehmet Ali KOL Mehmet ASLAN (isk) Mehmet Atay, SK Mehmet BORAL Mehmet Bückün Mehmet Buyuksevinc Mehmet Cantekin Mehmet Colak Mehmet Demiray Mehmet Dogan Mehmet DURMAZ Mehmet Emin KUTLU Mehmet Emin Ece Mehmet Fatih Öktülmüş Mehmet FIDAN Mehmet GÖZ Mehmet GÜMÜS Mehmet Gündüz, Mehmet Iscimen Mehmet iSLAM Mehmet Kadri GÜMÜŞ Mehmet KAMBUR Mehmet KURU Mehmet Maras Mehmet Mart Mehmet SAHiN Mehmet Salgyn, Mehmet Selim Yücel Mehmet Soylu Mehmet Tayanc Mehmet Tasdemir Mehmet Tekin Mehmet Tepe Mehmet YALÇINKAYA (isk) Menekse Kaya, SK Meral Akpinar, Meral ÖZKOL Meryem Altun Meryem Güler Mete Nazim Dölek Metin ERYASAR Maksut Polat Mete Nezihi Altinay, Metin Altiok, SK Metin Aydın Metin Can Metin Goktepe Metin SERTBULUT Metin Topal Mevlüt Cinar Mikail Güven, Mine BADEMCi Muammer Cicek, SK Muammer Karan Muhamed Kaya, Muhammet DEMİR Muharrem Karakus Muharrem Özdemir, Muammer PABUÇOGLU Muhlis Akarsu, SK Müjdat Celikyay Müjdat Yanat Mujdat Yanat (O) Munzur GEÇGEL Murat Coban (O) Murat Deniz Murat Er Murat Gül Murat Gündüz, SK Murat Günes, SK Murat Kaymak, Murat Kurekci MURAT ÖRDEKÇİ Murat Özbay, Murat Targay Mürsel Göleli, Musa Agdas Musa Öznur Musa Polat Mustafa Aktas, Mustafa Albayrak Mustafa BAL Mustafa Baylan Mustafa BAYSAL Mustafa Bektas, Mustafa ELMAS Mustafa Erol Mustafa ERTAN Mustafa Isyk Mustafa Kamacy Mustafa Kemal Ynan Mustafa Keskin Mustafa Marangoz Mustafa ÖZENÇ Mustafa Sefer Mustafa Selcuk, Mustafa SEViL Mustafa SAHBAZ Mustafa SAHiN Mustafa Argin Mustafa Suphi Mustafa UYUMAZ Mustafa YAĞCI MUSTAFA YILMAZ Muzaffer Mutlu Müjdat ÇELiKBAY Müjdat YILMAZ Naci GÜVEN Nadir Ölmez Nail Karaçam Nazan Unaldi Nazmi Ari Niyazi Dari Nazmi Türkcan, Nazym Karaca, Nebi Akyürek, Necati VARDAR Necati Vardar Necdet Adali (idam) Necdet Güçlü Dr. Necdet Pismisler Necla Cavusmirza, Necmettin BÜYÜK Necmettin ÇOBAN Necmettin Giritlioglu Necmettin KARAGÜLLE Necmi ÖNER Nergis Gulmez (O) Neset DANIS Nesimi Cimen, SK Nevzat ÇIFTÇI Nevzat GÖKÇEN Nihat Kaya, Nihat sahin, Nihat Yilmaz (Kizildere) Nilgün Gök NILÜFER ALCAN Niyazi Aydin, Niyazi DARI Niyazi Tekin Numan Kaygusuz Nuray Erenler Nurcan Sahin, SK Nurettin Demir Nurettin Güler Nurettin Topal, Nurettin Yedigol Nurhan Azak, Nurhayat Beyhan, Nuri Aslan, Metin Köse Nurten Acar Arslan Ary, Nurten Demir, Olcay Uzun Ömer Aydodmus Omer Ayna (Kizilidere) Ömer Coskunyrmak, Ömer Demir Ömer Ermis Ömer Faruk Bayraktar Ömer GEZER Omer Narhan Ömer YAZGAN Önder GENÇASLAN Önder Özdodan Onur Orcan Orhan AKER Orhan KARAMANOGLU Orhan KESKİN Orhan Korkut Orhan ÖZEN Orhan Özen, Orhan YAVUZ Osman Akgün Osman AKTAS Osman Korkmaz, Osman KÜÇÜK Osman ozcan doyuranli (isk) Osman Sönmez Osman Sümbül Osman Yaşar Yoldaşcan Ömer NORMAN Özalp KOÇ Özbil ARAS Özdemir KOCAHAL Özer Elmas Özgüç TUNCAY Özgür Kilic, ÖZLEM ERCAN Özlem Sahin, SK Öztürk Acari, Perihan Demirer Pinar Güngör, Raif Erdem Ramazan DOGAN Ramazan ÖZÜAK Ramazan Sari Ramazan YAYAN Ramazan YUKARIGÖZ Rasim Elmas Recai Dincel, Recai Keles Recep DEMiR Recep Güler Recep Sinan Refik Horoz Remzi ALTINTAŞ Remzi AYTÜRK Remzi Basalak Renan Eris, Reyhan Havva Ypek, Rıdvan BULUT Rıza BOYBAŞ Rıza Satılmış Riza YILMAZÇOBAN Rudi BİLGİN Ridvan Sancar Rifat Özgüngör Riza Boybas, Riza Güneser S.Ahmet ARSLAN Sabahat Karatas, Sabahattin DEMiR Sabahattin Kurt (kizildere) Saban Budak Saban Sen Sabit Ertürk, Sabri Atilmis SAbri Ayyildiz Sadan GAZETECİ Sadan Öngel, Sadettin Emir Cinaroglu Sadi EKiZ Sadrettin Udurlu Saffet Alp (Kizildere) Saffet Alp, Sait Erol Sait Metin, SK Salih Bademci Salih Kul Salim GEÇMEZ Sami Ovalioglu Sancar KARTAL Sati Tas, Satilmis Sahin DOKUYUCU Savas Er YETiS Sedat DEMİRÖZ: Sedat Gursel Akmaz (O) Sedat Karakurt (O) Sedat ÖZKARADAĞ Sefinur Tezgel Seher sahin Sehergül Ates, SK Selahattin KURUTUZ Selami ZORO Selcuk Kücükciftci Selçuk KURACIK Selim DÜZGÜN Selim Martin Selim Yesilova, Selma Aybal Selma Cytlak, Selma Dodan, Selman KARABACAK Selvi Uzun, Semih Erbek Semiha ÖZAKAR Seydi AKÇAN Sibel Acikalin Semsettin DEMİR 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[Azamat]

Ok maybe I overreacted, but yes your right. Although knowing Turkey, Turks and their history, they won't budge to military threats.

Actually, the enemy in question happens to have 20 million Kurds on ancestral land within its borders, which means we have a wide range of threatening-methods at our disposal.

...And military parades, that would be a sight.

I would be indeed. North Korean-style. Actually the whole notion of parades being an outdated and no-more effective method for intimidation seems to be incorrect, and especially suitable for the Middle-Eastern mindset.

[jjmuneer]

No I'm aware of those nations you mentioned. You also forgot to mention the Arabs and Turks.

[jjmuneer]

Ok maybe I overreacted, but yes your right. Although knowing Turkey, Turks and their history, they won't budge to military threats.

Actually, the enemy in question happens to have 20 million Kurds on ancestral land within its borders, which means we have a wide range of threatening-methods at our disposal.

...And military parades, that would be a sight.

I would be indeed. North Korean-style. Actually the whole notion of parades being an outdated and no-more effective method for intimidation seems to be incorrect, and especially suitable for the Middle-Eastern mindset.

Just like when US military says you can't win a war without control of the air.

[thearabchildren]

The martyrs listed above are not listed by place of origin, but I did find (maybe the site is blocked in Turkey) a site with bios of the martyrs of the TKP-ML, complete with their place of birth (disproportionately Black Sea and Northern Anatolia, which is to say, outside of Kurdistan by any definition) and how the fascists ended their lives. I will locate it for you as soon as I am able. I am not sure if İbrahim Kaypakkaya (the party's head) has writings on the subject in English, but unlike Deniz Gezmiş (who was a left Kemalist, although he did recognise the existence of a Kurdish people) he called Kemalism itself a fascist ideology and spoke openly about the chauvinism even among other elements of the Left in Turkey against Kurds, that they should have rights beneath those of Turks in a socialist Turkey, rather than rights alongside those of Turks within a socialist Anatolia. So strong were his views (though he was from Çorum, in no way a Kurdish city) that he advocated a Kurdish state as the best means of guaranteeing equality between Kurd and Turk. My entire point in bringing this up, however, was specifically to emphasise how far we have fallen in the post-Cold War era. Such internationalism now sounds like an idealistic fairy tale. The only people who fight for Kurds are themselves Kurds, with exceptions, of course, but far too few to be worth mentioning at present.

[Azamat]

That's not a very small list, Arab Children. I suppose you are right about internationalism having long been disappeared. Because from the contemporary Turkish left, I haven't seen at least a single pro-Kurdish statement in my lifetime.

[thearabchildren]

That's not a very small list, Arab Children. I suppose you are right about internationalism having long been disappeared. Because from the contemporary Turkish left, I haven't seen at least a single pro-Kurdish statement in my lifetime.

The Kemalists destroyed any love for Kurds among Turks with as much force as they could, and now they open up and want to "discuss the Kurdish problem" now that they know the majority of the populace is on the government's side, or at least apathetic. So disgusting.