Assyrians friends or foes??

[kardox]

Often we hear that assyrians are being protected by kurds in kurdistan cuz they are being attacked by arab in arabistan. The same assyrians come to EU and The US and tell the people of these countries that kurds are raping them ect. If you wanna see the true face of this people you should visit Aina forums and http://www.iraq4u.com which is made by assyrians.

[cheryl]

Silavên germ, kardox!

I did not meet any Assyrians in Kurdistan. Everywhere I went, the Christians were Chaldeans. This is what they called themselves, and I got the chance to speak to them in Ainkawa. I asked them if they considered themselves Kurds, and they said, no, we are Chaldeans.

All around the Sindhi area, Dohuk, north through the Berwarî area to the border of Turkish occupation, I saw many churches. There was a peshmerga with us, from the Berwarîs. He had fought many years in these areas--both Saddam and PKK--and he knew the people well. We stopped at a Christian home, who were friends of his, and everywhere we went, the Christians were Chaldeans. This was a guy who knew the area and the people.

Even the Christian refugees in Ainkawa, who had escaped Mûsil, were Chaldeans.

The Chaldeans seemed very nice and got along well with their Kurdish neighbors. They spoke Kurdish, some of them dressed like Kurds. . . it was like there was no big deal about it.

All that nonsense at AINA sounds like it comes from Arabs, so I have the impression that the Assyrians have been Arabized badly.

[tomjez]

SOME assyrians have been arabized badly. Don't forget that most of those websites are created by diasporas...which again are cut from the reality and much more nationalistic than "real people" living there. It's true for turks, kurds, armenians....

[Rumtaya]

THINK WHAT YOU THINK OF US WHO CARES MAN IF YOU THINK WE ARE BAD YOUR OWN FAULT.

AND TO THE CHALDEANS THIS ASSHOLES ARE ASSYRIANS THEY JUST BELONG TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.


IF YOU GUYS HERE DIVIDE THE ASSYRIANS INTO TWO GROUPS FOR ASSYRIAN AND CHALDEAN THEN YOU ARE FOR THE BAD THING WHAT IS IN THE INTREST OF THE KURDISH POLITICAN DO NOT MAKE THIS TOO GRUOPS SEE AT ONE.

I KNOW THE KURDISH POLITICANS SUPPOURT THIS SO CALLED CHALDEAN WHICH MEANS ASTROLOGICAN OR MAGICAN.

STOP USING THIS WRONG NAME FOR THE ASSYRIAN NATION.


BY THE WAY WHAT DO YOU WAND KARADOX WHE ARE CLAIMING FOR OUR HOMELAND DO YOU WANT THAT IT BE A PART OF KURDISTAN GO HOME MAN.

MY HOUSE IS MY HOUSE AND THERE ARE VILLAGES OCCUPDIED BY KURDS.

THATS THE TRUTH AND IF YOU DONT SEE IT YOUR FAULT JUST DONT MAKE US BAD PEOPLE WHO HAD DONE BAD THINGS WE KNOW JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE BEGIN OF THIS CENTURY.

YOU GUYS ARE RACIST AN NATIONALITIC NOT WE.

[tomjez]

1) YOU GUYS ARE RACIST AN NATIONALITIC NOT WE

2)AND TO THE CHALDEANS THIS ASSHOLES ARE ASSYRIANS THEY JUST BELONG TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

3) "SO CALLED CHALDEAN"

Yeah you made your point, you're neither racist nor nationalistic. Sure. Even if you're right! It's one people with two churches. No need to be mean because some of them don't use the right word in your eyes. Just accept that an assyrian can define himself as "chaldean" because he feels it is his communauty. Just like an Alevi Kurd will say "I'm Alevi", before saying "I'm a Kurd". Even if the PKK did not like that at all....

Well you just speak like a turkish nationalist saying "there are no kurds" "don't try to divide turkish people" don't you? If THEY consider themselves as Chaledeans why would you want them to be pure assyrian? If they are different they deserve to have their own name )

Like Zaza, Kurmanci and Sorani, who are all kurds, but different...you have Alevis, Sunnis, Yazidi among Kurds, that does not make them several people. Maybe all assyrians call themselves "chaldean" in Kurdistan, but you don't know because you don't live there...anyway Kurds say "Suryani".

In France they call themselves "assyro-chaldean" and consider it as One people...Maybe you should go there and teach them what a true assyrian is. http://www.aacf.asso.fr/

I just translate a few sentences on their website:

Ils savent que leur peuple ne sera plus jamais reconnu ni ne constituera une nation dans leur région d´origine. C´est un état de fait et ils l´acceptent.
"they know that their people will never ever be recognized and that it will never form a nation in their region of origin. It is a fact and they accept it.

Well that's not true, they are recognized. For the formation of a Nation I think they're right! But I guess in your eyes they are traitors and they will be executed on the day when Assyrian Empire will rise again.

anyway I doubt the word "chaldean" was invented by kurdish politicians just to annoy you

And don't get aggresive, you're starting to sound like "Armenian" guy

[kardox]

well, in kurdistan true that we call them syriani, but we also call also Fela, meaning Christian. This Guy wants to recreate the Assyrian empire that has not existed for almost 3000 years. I am not racist and i like all kurdistanies, I even have Armenian roots . You wanna see racism, i suggest you visit Aina, iraq4u and any other arab forum. Just say your a Kurd and bad words and insult will rain upon you.


thx

BTW. I supported the assyrians in the poll diri made. But it off-course must be outside kurdistan, and I will support you till I die.

[kardox]

oh, i forgot one question Rumtaya, why so many felas were among the Bathists(Mokhaberat) and were so brutal against kurds?? Tariq aziz, he killed many kurds, maybe he was also working for Aina and he had a big rule in the Anfal campaign, maybe he was trying to liberate the villages you are talking about , ha ?

[Rumtaya]

hey my dear friend karadox i am no suppourt of any bad people


i just want an assyrian state like you want an kurdish state man whats the problem with it.


and if there is some propagand against kurds you havnt to look at it but in every lie there are some right things.

come on man i want everyone his freedom no hate just get my point.

if you want to do me a pleasure call them assyrians thats their true orgin the other name just become of this spliting in churchs.

5000 B.C. (-250) The earliest known settlement of Nineveh. In 1932, Sir Max Mallowan, the eminent British archaeologist, dug a deep sounding which reached virgin soil ninety feet below the top of the mound of Nineveh; this gave a pottery sequence back to prehistoric times and showed that the site was already inhabited by 5000 B.C..

4750 B.C. (0) The first temple of Ashur is built. This marks the beginning of the Assyrian calendar.

2500 B.C. (2250) The three great Assyrian cities of Ashur, Arbel and Nineveh are clearly established long before this date, yet no solid archaeological evidence can be cited (because of a lack of research into this area). By 2500 B.C., these cities were thriving metropoli.

2371 B.C. (2379) Sargon of Akkad rises to power, establishing the first Assyrian kingdom in South Mesopotamia.

2000 B.C. (2750) Assyrian merchant colonies in Cappadocia are well established by this time. From the Assyrian clay tablets found at these sites, trade with the city of Ashur in tin and textiles was the main business.

1765 B.C. (2985) The great code of Hammurabi is produced in Babylon.

1365 B.C. (3385) Ashuruballit lays the foundations of the first Assyrian empire.

1307 B.C. (3443) Adad-narari establishes the first Assyrian empire.

1115 B.C. (3635) Tiglath-Pileser establishes the second Assyrian Empire. The Aramean invasions of Assyria begin.

934 B.C. (3816) Ashur-dan II establishes the Neo-Assyrian empire. The Empire unifies the Middle East, from Egypt to the Caspian Sea, under one rule and by so doing lays the foundation for the subsequent rise of the Persians, Hellenism, Christianity, and Islam. Great advances in science, technology, philosophy, medicine, and government are made. The Assyrian conquests spread civilization to formerly savage lands. This aspect of the Neo- Assyrian empire is often overshadowed by scholars' baffling preoccupation with the Assyrian military machine and its so-called "barbaric behavior". The Assyrians never conquered and destroyed, they conquered and civilized, teaching their subjects the art of the highest civilization then in existence. The cultural unification of the middle east is a subtle point to grasp, yet it must be understood that this was the greatest achievement of the Assyrians. Other achievements in that period are to numerous to list fully. Some examples are: paved roads, postal system, magnifying glass, electric battery, plumbing (with flush toilet), the first use of iron, the first chariots, the first aqueduct (which was in use until 1996 A.D.), the first library, the first system of musical notation.

752 B.C. (3998) Aramaic is made an official language of the Empire, alongside Akkadian.

612 B.C. (4138) The Neo-Assyrian empire collapses under an attack by Medes, Scythians and Babylonians tribes. The Royal family escapes to Harran.

609 B.C. (4141) Ashur-uballit is proclaimed the new king of Assyria in Harran. Egypt sends its army to support the Assyrians but is delayed by Jewish resistance in Gaza and Judah. When the Egyptian army does finally arrive, it is met by a Chaldean force and is defeated. With the collapse of the Egyptian army, its final buttress, the Assyrian empire came to its end.

500 B.C. (4250) The Persians ascend to power. They adopt the Akkadian writing system (Assyrian cuneiform).

350 B.C. (4400) Assyrians attempt to reestablish their autonomy, but the Persians suppress the attempt and castrate 400 members of Assyrian ruling families.

50 B.C. (4700) Some Assyrians experiment with Judaism. (rreally?)

0 A.D. (4750) Jesus Christ is born.

33 A.D. (4783) Assyrians become the first nation to convert to Christianity. The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East is founded by Thomas, Theodos and Bartholomew.

200 A.D. (4950) The Assyrian New Testament, the Psheeta, is produced. (the REAL bible, not a fake greek one. more on this later)

256 A.D. (5006) The last known Ashur worshippers. Assyrians are now all Christians.

358 A.D. (5350) The School of Nisibis is Established, the first university in the world.

400 A.D. (5150) The great translation movement. Assyrian monks, because of their close ties with Greek Christianity, translate the significant body of Greek knowledge into Assyrian, including all the great works of religion, medicine, philosophy, science, and mathematics. These works are eventually translated into Arabic and brought to Spain by the Moors, where they are translated from Arabic to Latin and distributed through Europe, igniting the Renaissance.

448 A.D. (5198) 153,000 Assyrians are massacred by order of the Sassanid king, Yesdegerd II.

450 A.D. (5200) The Assyrian Church splits over a doctrinal dispute. Mar Yacob leaves the Church of the East and establishes the Monophysitic Syrian Orthodox Church (also known as the Jacobite church). (part one of Assyrian split)

633 A.D. (5383) Muhammad declares himself the prophet of God and originates Islam. It is well known that Muhammad's principal teacher was the Assyrian monk Sargis Bkheera. This accounts for the extraordinary doctrinal similarity between some aspects of Islam and the Assyrian Church of the East. For example, according to Assyrian Church doctrine, there is no awareness of passage of time between the moment of death and final judgement; final judgement occurs immediately even though thousands of years may have passed on Earth. Islam holds this same view. It is also noteworthy that the Koran states that in the day of final judgement the angels of Allah will speak to man in Assyrian. 650 A.D. (5400) Church of the East missionaries reach China and Japan.

781 A.D. (5531) A stone monument is erected in China during the T'ang Dynasty in honor of the 130th anniversary of the Church mission in China.

1000 A.D. (5750) Assyrian monks develop a writing systems for Mongolian using the Assyrian alphabet.

1200 A.D. (5950) The Church of the East is at its largest, larger than the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic combined, with eighty million members, from Egypt to Japan. (interesting, yet not well known facts)

1250 A.D. (6000) The Paradise of Eden is published by Mar Abdisho Sowa, effectively silencing Arab critics of the Assyrian language.

1300 A.D. (6050) Timurlane the Mongol sweeps westward and destroys everything in his path. The Assyrian Church of the East is completely destroyed. Assyrians are forced to retreat into the Hakkary mountains of eastern Turkey. The Church becomes a small, single nation entity.

1552 A.D. (6302) The Assyrian Church of the East splits in a dispute over Patriarchal succession. The hereditary faction wins and takes control of the church; the election faction becomes a uniate of the Roman Catholic Church. Assyrians now belong to three denominations: Nestorian (Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East), Jacobite (Syrian Orthodox Church), and Chaldean (Roman Catholic Uniates). (part 2 of Assyrian split)

1843 A.D. (6593) 50,000 Assyrians are massacred by the Kurd Badr Khan-Bek. (basTURD atrocities come to light)

1918 A.D. (6668) The Ottoman Empire collapses. Three of four Assyrians (750,000 total) are killed by Turks and Kurds. The surviving Assyrians flee to Iraq and Syria (British and French mandates). The Patriarch Mar Benyamin Shimoon is assassinated by the Kurd Simko. A nationalistic movement sweeps through the Assyrians.

1933 A.D. (6683) The Assyrian town of Semile, and its surroundings, is massacred by Iraqi troops on August 7th. This policy was implemented by a Kurd, General Bakr Sidqi. Because this was a massacre specifically targeted against Assyrians as a nation, as opposed to a Christian group as in World War One, Assyrians would eventually adopt August 7th as official martyr's day.

1957 A.D. (6707) The Assyrian Democratic Organization is founded in Syria.

1967 A.D. (6717) The Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA) is founded in Iran.

1970 A.D. (6720) The great Assyrian exodus from the Middle East begins, which would see one million Assyrians flee into a diaspora, mostly to America and Europe, by 1997.

1974 A.D. (6724) The Patriarch Mar Esha Shimoon is assassinated. The successor, Mar Dinkha is elected, thus ending the hereditary succession.

1979 A.D. (6729) The Assyrian Democratic Movement is founded.
1980 A.D. (6730) Iran-Iraq war begins. 60,000 thousand Assyrians would die by the war's end.

1990 A.D. (6740) Iraq invades Kuwait.

1991 A.D. (6741) The United Nations Coalition Forces drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The Kurds rise against the Iraqi government and are given protection in North Iraq by the United Nations. The Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM) achieves a significant presence and wins 5 of 100 seats in the parliamentary elections. (dont give a rats ass about this one)

*the number year in parenthases next to the western year, is the Assyrian year. As you can see, 5000 BC is our 250 BA, BA being before Ashur was built. Hence, our calendar is based on when Ashur was built which was 4750 BC. Today, as I have showed before, the Assyrian year is 6755.

[Rumtaya]

HERE A MAP KARADOX AND TO MY OTHER KURDISH FRIEND THAT THEY KNOW WHAT I WANT AND OTHER ASSYRIANS FOR AN ASSYRIAN STATE.


THIS MAP WAS DONE HALF BY ME AND HALF BY MY KURDISH FRIEND DIRI .


SO GUYS IF YOU SAY NOW SOMETHING AGAINST THE ASSYRIAN AREAS AND START SAYING NO THIS LITLE PART BELONGS ALSO TO KURDISTAN THEN I CANT HELP YOU ANYMORE AND ILL LEAVE THIS FORUM FOR ALWAYS CAUSE I WOULDNT UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ANYMORE.

[kardox]

ohh... this map can be accepted. The area is called Jazira, and many Christian villages there. I dont know what my fellow shabak and ezedi kurds will say to this map, but it seems like a good solution.

[tomjez]

That's a fuckin big kurdistan

[Rumtaya]

hahah fucking big kurdistan lool why you swear man


hmm karadox ther is no can be there is should

by the way the shabak kurds and yezedi kurdsd can settle into other areas of this kurdistan isnt it big enough for them to setlle somewhere in that areas.


and if the kurds would help assyrians they would help them to get an area or autonomy area in the new constitutaion like we know that diditn happend its the oppostie kurds are claiming more autonomy area for theirself but maybe there will be a assyrian section or autonomy area in it we hope for the best.

by the way tomjez nicht die grösse machts mein freund haha

[tomjez]

Warum sprichst du Deutsh zu mir? Ich bin Fransöze! Fransi!

[Rumtaya]

weil ich kein französich kann und ich gelesen habe das du deutsch kannst lool.


i am assyrian came from syria did you know that the france have setteled us to the khabour river??

they bought there the land and said you stay here before that they tried to get the assyrians to brasil or so but our king didnt want..

what else syria was colonie of france and there had been 40 000 assyrians soldiers but after france left syria they splited this army and all weapon have been taken away and then the goverment was give into arabs hands.


we have one of our greatest fighter lay in france did you heard ever about someone called

Agha Patros???

[cheryl]

<<THINK WHAT YOU THINK OF US WHO CARES MAN IF YOU THINK WE ARE BAD YOUR OWN FAULT. >>

who said that anyone thinks you're bad? please provide a source or quote.

you can go to kurdistan and tell "THE CHALDEANS THIS ASSHOLES ARE ASSYRIANS."

i'm sure that will go over well. no surprise, then, that there was a distinction made between assyrians and chaldeans in the draft constitution.